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Posted 24 February 2005 - 02:46 AM

This just gives me a warm and fuzzy....

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KISH, Iran - As President Bush pressures European allies to get tougher with Iran, NBC News got a rare glimpse inside the country — at an Iranian air show attended by some of the world's leading military contractors eager to do business with America's adversary.

On the island of Kish, mullahs mixed with Ukrainian generals amid photos of the Ayatollah Khomeini. Iran's contempt for the United States was clear — emblazoned underneath a helicopter, in Farsi: "Death to America."

It's generally illegal for American companies to do business with Iran. But NBC News found more than a dozen European defense and aviation firms eager to fill the void. Some do business with the Pentagon, yet they were actively selling their wares to Iran.

"We sell to Iran [sic] Air Force," said Francois Leloup from Aerazur, a French company that markets fighter pilot vests, anti-gravity suits and other protective gear for military pilots.

"We sell mainly to security people like police," said Arnaud Chevalier with Auxiliaire Technique, which was representing a group of companies at its exhibition booth. Some of the brochures on dispay showed tank helmets, communication systems for light armored vehicles and an "infantry headset." Chevalier said such equipment was "not for sale."

NBC News showed our video from the air show to arms expert John Pike, director of the nonprofit organization GlobalSecurity.org.

"I think that the Europeans would sell their grandmothers to the Iranians if they thought they could make a buck," says Pike.

Also exhibiting at the show — European Aeronautic Defence and Space Company (EADS) and its subsidiary Eurocopter — which has launched a campaign in the United States to get a bigger share of Pentagon contracts, featuring ads that wrap the company in the American flag.

But if the company is so pro-American, why is it ignoring U.S. policy to isolate Iran?

"As a European company, we're not supposed to take into account embargoes from the U.S.," says Michel Tripier, with EADS.

"The emphasis here is on our civil helicopters. We are not offering military helicopters here," he adds.

Yet, prominent on the company's video in Iran — a military helicopter. 

"It says 'Navy' in their own promotional videotape," says John Pike. "I guess they're hoping Iran's navy is going to want to buy it."

EADS says the helicopter just happened to be on the video, and that it abides by U.S. and European rules against selling military goods to Iran.

Another company, Finmeccanica, recently won a contract to build a new version of the presidential helicopter, Marine One, as part of a group led by U.S. contractor Lockheed Martin.

It was also in Kish showing off its helicopters to Iran. 

"This company is building the American president's new helicopter, and they're trying to trade with the enemy!" exclaims Pike.

Steven Bryen used to be the Pentagon official responsible for preventing technology from going to countries like Iran. Now he's the president of Finmeccanica in the United States. Does he think Iran is an enemy of the United States?

"I think they're our enemy at this point," says Bryen. "I mean, they're behaving like our enemy."

So why would Bryen's company trade with an enemy?

"In Europe, they don't call it the enemy," he says. "If it's a civilian item that doesn't threaten anyone, then I don't have a problem with that."

European subsidiaries of NBC's parent company, General Electric, have sold energy and power equipment to Iran, but GE recently announced it will make no new sales. (MSNBC is a Microsoft-NBC joint venture.)

Still, even with the president now pushing hard to isolate Tehran, European allies are likely to continue their role as what one company called, "a reliable partner for Iran."


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7018071/
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Posted 24 February 2005 - 04:05 PM

So what's the point? They are selling civilian equipment to Iran? and...since when should European countries follow US embargos?

Should we also stop from sending humanitarian help to Iran when they need it (earthquake tragedies such as the recent ones for instance), because they are "the enemy"?
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Posted 24 February 2005 - 06:03 PM

It is stated that they are only trying to sell civilain equipment. But then why are the military wares on display also. And if you think about it, Europe is trying to get them to disarm also, big deal about the embargo from us, what happens if the negotiating falls through and sanctions are imposed? To late they already have the technology to work with. Granted a worse case scenario, but food for thought.
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Posted 25 February 2005 - 02:08 AM

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you guys are plain incredible. :rolleyes:


likuidkewl, on Feb 24 2005, 02:46, said:

This just gives me a warm and fuzzy....

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KISH, Iran - As President Bush pressures European allies to get tougher with Iran

pressure? i guess europe is educated enough to come to its own conclusions... :rolleyes:


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America's adversary.

oh. it is called an adversary already. I hope most will still see Iran as fellow humans. :rolleyes:


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"Death to America."

with an extreme attitude the US shows, I can understand others verbally countering that with texts like this....

Note "verbally", as the only one being agressive (since 9/11 - i will give you that) is the US. :rolleyes:


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It's generally illegal for American companies to do business with Iran.

right. must be the reason why Iran's airforce is full of "F-" fighter planes.

300 F-16a's
60 F-14's
166 F-5E's

and some F-4, F-86 and F-84's

:rolleyes:


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But NBC News found more than a dozen European defense and aviation firms eager to fill the void. Some do business with the Pentagon, yet they were actively selling their wares to Iran.

selling arms really sucks doesn't it? i mean, how come you agree YOUR country to be the biggest arms export to anyone in the world, except for the regimes you have an economical or tactical problem with? :huh: and have the hypocrisy to deny the others? :rolleyes:


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shut it up already and start thinking ethically correct. the world would be a better place. :rolleyes:


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"I think they're our enemy at this point," says Bryen. "I mean, they're behaving like our enemy."

enemy! enemy?! enemy???? is this the start of a new propaganda campaign?

the only one really behaving aggressively is the states ffs. :rolleyes:
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Posted 25 February 2005 - 02:20 AM

rediculous man.. C'mon Europe is against Iran having Nukes as is shown by the recent events and the recent talks. But what happens when(if) they decide to say F-off and go ahead with it? Now they have Nukes(Hypothetically) and a more modern Army/Navy/Airforce etc. now they are really a force to be worried about. And then they think hey we have nukes and new technology lets start invading some countries. Then what would you say? Whoops I guess we shouldn't have sold them that technology? Not like it matters anyways they can just buy it from Syria.
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Posted 25 February 2005 - 08:59 AM

haha... ok. there is only one part in my comment which touched some ground. the rest is just a rant of me being drunk. :lol:

sorry about that. yet it does express the deeper feeling i have. :lol:
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