According to the Freedom of Information Act, you can request your perosnal information file from the FBI.

http://foia.fbi.gov/


The curious side of me wants to request it, the skeptical side of me says it's gonna be half empty

you can also order police reports or something like that.. some sites sell them..

my guess is that as soon as i request my info, they'll start tapping my phone line

I really want to know what's in my file, but I'm sure there's nothing worth while. I may consider this though. It might actually be interesting.

Pah. I already know what's in mine:

NAME: [CENSORED]
AGE: Physically, 39; Mentally, 13.
SEX: Rarely
ADDRESS: Michigan
POLITICAL PHILOSOPHY: Libertarian-Conservative. Known to play devil's advocate just to be a jerk.
POLITICAL ACTIVITIES: Known stooge for Administration policies in online forums.
THREAT LEVEL: Low. Halfbaked posts actually undermine Administration policies. Unless online "boobie" sites become recruiting ground for terrorists, subject poses little threat to Homeland.
PROPOSED COURSE OF ACTION: Ignore him. Everyone else does.



GoSpinBoy

haha

Why do you guys fear the FBI so much? if you are doing nothing wrong then let them tap your lines and sleep in your beds.

It's about the fact that even if we're doing nothing wrong, they[the government] still have no right to tap our lines or do anything.

Our constitution was to protect us from a government doing that to its citizens and becoming a military state

It seems to be an American thing... don't understand it fully myself (and I don't mean the phone tap part ) I mean the more ordinary things like an ID card.

I have one (obliged) since I was 12, and I can't imagine how I (or anybody else here) could live without one.. We just need it for a lot of (daily) stuff.

Its not the issue of the ID card...its the information that the government would collect/store with the ID card.

They'd keep track of your actions, where you shop, get gas, etc. I think its my right to not be monitored in that way.

If I want that, I'll join a communist society

I'm curious to see what my fbi file says, but I'm also worried about what it will contain as well. Will the fbi also be curious to why I requested such information, I mean its information about me and I have every right to view it don't I?

I don't know...maybe maybe not.

You're right, and that was a good responce to Micro's question. But i want to add that our proverbial protection has two parts - the consitution itself AND the people who are given rights by it to defend it. Its very much a cyclical thing. Too bad people are becoming lazy with politics and their God given rights lately.

I just hate the state of how things have become. More and more it is turning out to be like the Communist problem back in the 50's, where people pointed the finger at others saying that they were communist and then they would be reviewed by a commission to where they would be grilled to admit that they are a communist.

Now it has shifted from communism to terrorism. What I'm trying to get at is that I hate the feeling of being watched and knowing that there is a big possibility that there are people walking around taking notes on things that I have done with my life. I don't have any privacy and that all of my information is on the ISH. Its crazy and it makes me paranoid.

Things shouldn't be this way.

I believe the FOIA has some provision in it that prohibits the FBI or any other agency to become suspicious of a person asking for documents. I'm not sure, but i remember hearing that somewhere.

I wouldn't mind having an ID card. Hey, it'll have me stop carrying around 10 other cards in my wallet. But, if the government is going to declare itself a democracy and intend to run as one, then the FBI should not have the permission to do random searches of people's houses without their knowledge. They should not be allowed to tap a phone/modem line for the simple fact that a person 'might' just be a terrorist. The USA PATRIOT Act is a total load of bullshit which has the abillity to convict someone even if they are doing nothing wrong. Ever see 'Enemy of the State'? All that stuff they do to track Will Smith is perfectly legal under this law.

I don't mind having an ID card either. But only if it's not going to 'track' me.

I don't want them to see that I ate at McDonalds, or bought gas at exxon, or jerked off in my room.

They shouldn't know if I just crossed the state border unless I get pulled over.

Yeah, that is something adamj and I have talked about before in private. It is ridiculous how this law works and how people don't know how much it really affects them in their daily lives. It is a very scary thought that you are being watched 24/7 as well as the Patriot Act can have you thrown in prison for years before even being brought to a court and be tried. Basically the Patriot Act has removed innocent until proven guilty and replaced it with the ever more popular guilty until proven innocent.

I don't/wouldn't give a shit if our government, or any other government that was just and fair (big contradiction there, i know ) collected our information. The problem i have is when that would be abused by government workers, who are ordinary people. There have been so many scandals in the UK and the USA about government agents abusing their powers and using information, that i don't want to risk it. Also, if a facist party came to power, it would be much harder to regain power with them having that kind of monitoring/lock-out abilities. (this is if a biometric system is implemented, you would be locked out of most public facilities and areas)

I don't believe in tracking of any sort by the government without due process. It's not their business.

Do I pay my taxes? Yes. Am I involved in a criminal investgation? No. So fuck off.

Its how they can dig up dirt on people for purposes of of arresting

It is sad to see how some things can get out of hand. Just imagine how many people have been wronged by the system that are innocent and have been charged of crimes that they never committed in the first place.

for example, a big case made by the FBI is the case of Lenord Peltier, if you guys have seen the movie Thunderheart, you'll know what I'm talking about.

But information for those who don't know is right here:



http://www.freepeltier.org/

I believe texas just executed a person who was later proved innocent.

Statistics say that about 7% of all death row inmates are actually innocent. The biggest state with this problem is Texas and in fact when Bush was govenor at least 9 innocent people were executed.

more stuff here:
http://www.texecutions.com/

WARNING MAJOR BUSH BASHING ON THIS SITE.

I have volumes to say about the FBI's interaction with ARM and the Guardians of the Ogala Nation.

I'll sum it up by saying.. COMPLETE BULLSHIT.

And dont ever believe that the traditionalists have some how disapeared, they're as strong as ever.

The problem with a National ID card though is that the main purpose of it is to track people from what I read last. Our rights to privacy are being violated more and more each day.

You see, that is the "crap" part... Do you think I have to show my ID when I buy a burger? Secondly, would the governement even care (and send me a letter stating that my weight has gone up lately?)

I have to show my card when I open f.i. a bank account... That is not to inform the governement, but simply to inform my (new) bank that I am who I claim to be. I can pick up registered letters at my post office with it... Again, that info does not go to the governement, it's simply so the post office is sure I am the one that the letter is for.

Again, I really don't mind, and I couldn't even imagine a life without one (the hassle!).

And the feds? Well, I'm sure our feds have the same going on over here, but as long as they don't mess my lawn when they are checking my lifestyle, I couldn't care less.

Don't be naive to think they don't 'record' what you do. Anytime that ID is swiped, it has to get authenticated against a database. Which essentially means they can simply log. They may not log that you bought a Big Mac, but they can see you were at McDonalds, or the post office.

And I am not hiding anything by not wanting them to know I eat at McDonalds. But still, its the principal.

EDIT:

Here's an example. For a little while, there was talk of using EZPass to trap speeders.

EZ Pass is a tag that you keep in your car on your windshield. When you go through a toll, it detects the EZpass, and deducts from an account you set up. Its intent is to reduce traffic.

But the someone said "well, if you make it from Toll A to Toll B in less than X amount time, you must be speeding. So they give you the average rate you 'were going' and issue a ticket for that.

To my knowledge, that idea was not implemented. But I think that is a major intrusion on your rights. It is my right to do the illegal act of speeding. But I will accept responsibility for it if I am caught. That's the deal.

To turn it into a military state where you car will suddenly print out a ticket for the moment it detects you went over 65 MPH is nuts.

Go watch the movie Demolition Man or 1984 for good examples of how this is bad.

It is funny that you brought up the McDonalds thing because that just made me have an interesting thought. Over the past two years many fast food chains have gone ahead to accept credit cards for payment of their food. I mean it is pretty sad when an individual goes into McDonalds or Wendy's to buy something that is a few bucks and puts it on their credit card (no offense to anyone that has done this) but think of how much information about us is being spread now by this. But, many regular resturants accept credit cards as well.