More and more people are buying and loving Macs. To make this choice simply irresistible, Apple will include technology in the next major release of Mac OS X, Leopard, that lets you install and run the Windows XP operating system on your Mac. Called Boot Camp (for now), you can download a public beta today.

Boot Camp lets you install Windows XP without moving your Mac data, though you will need to bring your own copy to the table, as Apple Computer does not sell or support Microsoft Windows. Boot Camp will burn a CD of all the required drivers for Windows so you don't have to scrounge around the Internet looking for them.

Once you’ve completed Boot Camp, simply hold down the option key at startup to choose between Mac OS X and Windows. (That’s the “alt” key for you longtime Windows users.) After starting up, your Mac runs Windows completely natively. Simply restart to come back to Mac.

View: Full Boot Camp Announcement
Download: Boot Camp Public Beta (83 MB)

News source: Apple

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Who expected that?!

hah i just ran over here to post the same thing!

the thing i'm most amazed about is that the graphics drivers are supplied!

and just like that, the open sourced XoM movement is destroyed

oh well this has it advantages, now you dont have to mess around (saw the stuff you HAD to do in order to get xp on a intel-mac...

Apple realized people will do it. So rather than have them fuck shit up, they'll make it easy.

Now I wonder if they'll reverse OS X to run on a PC...

first thing i thought when reading this topic. let's hope so

I dunno...I do like XP. I don't know if I like it better than OS X. I'm a tech for both...so its a toss up

exactly ... so wouldn't it be great if you were like "hmm ... i'm not sure if i want to mess around on OSX or XP/Vista today ... i guess i'll just hold the down arrow on the OS boot screen and randomly hit enter and whichever it picks i'll use!"

i think that would be awesome. xp today. osx tomorrow.

HAHAHA...and the best part would be if ALL the apps worked on each!

Just a bit of info. You don't really need this. The firmware update that is part of this update enables legacy bios emulation in the EFI booting system. Thus, pretty much any OS can load, though I don't know fully about driver support for OSs other then XP.

until we figure out what partitioning scheme bootc amp creates, we kinda do...

also for the drivers it supplies.

This also shows again, Apple is a hardware company, they make the most money on the hardware. They would love to see companies buying macs because they look good, and don't care if the company only puts windows on them. The iPod became a success once they opened the door to Windows, maybe it's happening again.

This is unexpectedly good news. I think this belongs on the front page!

So when will we be able to install OSX on PCs?

lol

Hardware company..not really since over 95 percent of the parts they use in there computers aren't made by them.
There normal pc parts made by people like lg,intel,ibm and so on and so on.

Of course it ran faster then any othe lap top out there, this tends to happen when you uses the latest fastest cpu,mem and extra.

Whats sets them apart is there os and smarts in marketing which is why the ipod which wasn't the best hardware out there or even now but there where very sherwed about setting up itunes first and right.

Why would you spend more for a apple lap top to run windows when you can just get the latest pc lap at the same speed and for less?

Now if apple drops the price to be closer to pc then things could get serious since apple does have great quilty control and it would give you the option of running every os.

If that happens then i would by one in a sec.

He's not saying they're a hardware company because they make the computers. He's saying that's where they make their money, in selling computers, ipods, etc, not software.

Yea....because other than OS X... MOST of their software is PC compabible as well.

There are a few choice pieces that are only OS X or run better...

They didn't have to worry about being a software company becuase they were proprietary for their stuff.

okay, it started with my purchase of the ipod video

now i am 100% convinced that apple is the best out there

who would have ever have guessed that?!

yeah, i hated apple up until the past few years, mainly because OSX was not that great. then i bought an ipod, loved it. saw a friends ibook, messed around with it, loved it. now i want to jump onboard soon. hopefully, with a new macmini that i can hook up to my hdtv. then, full blown mac

like... full blown aids?

sorry, couldn't resist.

Just when I was thinking of getting an HP Laptop...

I seriously wanted to get a Mac, but the one thing i was always affraid of was wanting to go back to Windows incase i get tired of it...

This fixed that problem.

Has anyone tried this program yet, and hows it working?

(quartet singing)
I really wish it were something less seriousssssssssss.

Well, as long as microsoft does not kill this with vista I'll buy an iMac next year.

Why would they? More market share and profit for them.

just tried this out. it works... much like you'd expect it to.

omega drivers installed without fuss. stuck hl2 on there to see how it ran.

for the record, i'm runningthsi on a MBP 2GHz, 2GB ram, with an x1600 with 256MB mem.

like butter, is the answer. 1440x900, full settings plus tacked on hDR, all reflections, 2xAA, 2xAF (not tried any higher, but by the look of how smooth things are here i don't doubt i'll be able to go higher) and it's absolutely smooth. gorgeous.

i know the x1600 isn't a next gen beast, but for current stuff, my god the macbook flies.

gonna try the lost coast now (waiting for it to dl as i type this), i'll report back on how well it runs.

update: OK tried lost coast, not so smooth. had to drop the res down to 1280x800, disable AA and AF, and have only world reflections. it was *just* playable at those settings.

video stress test overrides these settings - when i ran it at 1440x900 it returned 43FPS.

What about all of peoples software... I'm not as savy on the software aspect.

What will work? What won't work?

to all intents and purposes, windows on a mac is like windows on a PC. nothing's different - if it worked on a PC, it works on an intel mac running windows. i was just assessing how it performed as a gaming machine. and for a 2.5KG slimline notebook, i have to say that it's a pretty good one.

considering your gaming experience, and the ability to boot OSX and XP, i can't see why if i purchased a laptop in the next few months it wouldn't be from apple. having the ability to run both OSes is awesome. i was going to get an alienware/dell/toshiba laptop, but really what is the point unless they can run OSX.

Would Mac-Intel software run on MacBookXP?

it won't run, no, much like a linux binary will not run in windows, or how a windows .exe will not run on OSX for intel. each executable for each OS relies on its own system APIs and libraries. if they're not there, it doesn't matter that they're compiled for intel. they won't work.

coo'...thanks

Is it so that the recent method discovered it just being used by bootcamp but that the edges are just not as rough? And if so, isn't that theft by Apple then?

umm .... excuse me?

OK, i'm just tinkering with this machine since it's all backed up anyway.... i managed to get vista installed AND booting on the macbook (no, i didn't try dual booting), so i assume the errors people were getting with missing winload.exe messages are due to the wrong partition being referenced (by the looks of things if you use boot camp it's the third partition, not the first, although i guess boot.ini will look at the first since that's the only one the windows installer understands).

the only thing seems to be working out of the box is the ethernet adapter. i installed ATi's mobility beta drivers for 5302 but they didn't seem to actually do anything beyond allowing me to choose a native resolution. glass is not enabled.

any vista experts wanna help me out with a drivers solution for this badboi?

Best bet is to force install the desktop x1600 drivers and hope for the best. Chipset drivers hould have all gotten picked up, since it's an intel chipset. If they didn't, I don't know what to say there.

haha ... i was just browsing the bootcamp website and came across this



i just thought it was pretty funny

He's refering to the hacker who won $13,000 or so by loading WinXP on a MacIntel. I don't know. I would assume Apple has had this in the works for some time. Plus, the guy didn't write a piece of software to do it. So although its not theft, its a similar idea.



That's funny!

I must say that, due to this, even though that I am a hardcore mac user, with my current job outlook. I will be useing both. SO its off to buy a new mac book pro to replace the one i just purchesed in August, Maybe selling. HEHE