i ask all of you to please watch this WHOLE video and then tell me what you've gotta say against the muslims

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8260059923762628848

no replies i see. i saw the video, hadnt seen part 2, nice
i wont comment though, cause .. yeah

It is an interesting movie - even if you need to take it with loads and loads of grains of salt - or at least let's hope so.

on another level - more unbiased - Weapons of Mass Deception is good as well. It talks about the influence of mass media on our opinion forming. But it is not a free documentary.

Let this be a wake up call to all who think that our government has our best interest at heart.

....anyone seen the move V For Vendetta yet? Now, think of the US instead of England and think of Bush instead of Sutler. I wonder what would replace the Guy Fawks mask?

i'd say there are always conspiracy theories ... some of the points of the video are good, but some are really stretching it a lot.

to answer that viriilink's question, no, it doesn't really change my opinion of muslim.

and yea, same. my opinion doesn't change. show me a video that attempts to prove that 10 year olds and women who are muslim aren't strapping bombs to themselves and blowing themselves up. that might change my opinion, but i don't think a video like that exists.

that was just uncalled for and a massive generalization jizzy. before you start a flame war, please edit your post and get brain to edit the "quote". My mother is a muslim women, i sure as hell dont see a bomb on her and please dont make a crack about my mum either like "i dont care what she does" etc, im just sayin because you just said some harsh shit about all muslim children and women.

sad world this is huh?

exactly Hasin. I will edit my post on request.

I hated generalizations before and even more so since recently (even though that was hardly possible). But still, two weeks ago I got a genuine wake-up call.

I stranded in France by car. Zero fuel. As I am Belgian none of the cards I had worked. Two guys walked by the gasoline station. Muslims. Surprise: no knives, no pistols. Another surprise: one of them RAN home to get his bank card. He gave me 10 euro worth of diesel. I want to hand him a 10 euro note. Surprise a third time: he refused to accept it. Said he wanted to help me and my family out. Told me to have a safe journey.

So... stop these STUPID generalizations, since they absolutely and positively make you sound like a fool. In each culture, each race, each population there are BAD persons and GOOD persons. The bad ones are the most visible, although the good ones are the majority.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/de...html?page=1&c=y

Dated one month after the video above. You decide whose telling the truth.

I can see alot of tension here....

I am agreeing with Brain. Not all people are bad. It makes me sad that you have show acts of kindness to prove that people are good, rather than showing an act of evil and showing that there are bad people . (i hope that made sense).

I haven't watch the videos yet, as I am at work. But Even without it, I can gather some ideas of their content.

What I think Jizzy was TRYING to say is there is ALOT of muslim terrorists, now including pregnant women, who are willing to kill themselves to murder others.

Also, there have been many videos/reports where young muslim children, especially in the Palestinian area who are looking forward to growing up to kill themselves to kill Americans or Jews. (I adamently refuse to call them martyrs).

A single act of evil does not condem a people, nor does an act of good redeem them.

I dont think most people believe that all muslims are evil or terrorists. Just as I don't think that all muslims believe Jews should be dead. (I'm hoping that I'm accurate).

OK...After starting the video....

I've watched 10 minutes of it so far. I think a bit of it is a bit sketchy.

Do I believe that the government PLANNED all of this? I don't think so..but I wouldn't die of shock if so.
Do I believe our government may have ignored evidence of this? Absolutely.
Do I believe that some people may have had a better idea of this than others? Sure.

Do I believe that the people of many arab/muslim nations cheered, danced, shot their guns, burned our flag? Absolutely!

Do I believe that Bin Laden or any other muslim extremist group would have done this if they had half a chance? Not a shadow of doubt in my mind.

Do I believe that there are muslim terrorists who are blowing themselves up to murder innocent people on a regular basis? Of course.


@Virallink...and all.
From what I've seen so far on this video, it has to do with the governments involvement with 911.
Even if that is the case, it still doesn't erase other things that have happened, or continue to happen.

So...to answer your question... What do I think of muslims? Nothing different than before. A very historic and old culture. They have a great history. They are very devout and religious people, and have many members of their people who take their believes a bit to far.

I don't believe muslims are evil. I don't believe any race of people is evil. I do believe that there are people who are evil. And those people are arab, muslim, american, russian, jew, christian, canadian, spanish..whatever.

sorry, it was early when i posted that.

"extremist muslims"

i know every fucking muslim in the world isn't strapping bombs to themselves and blowing themselves up. that's just ignorant.

every *what* muslim?!

that correction also does not really change the oddness in your statement either.

you said: "show me a video that attempts to prove that 10 year olds and women who are muslim aren't strapping bombs to themselves and blowing themselves up."

there are PLENTY - thousands and thousands - of (home) videos of muslim children and women who are NOT strapping bombs to themselves and blowing themselves up. you'll see happy families trying to live a normal life. each and every single one of these videos prove what you apparently think is unprovable.

@dk: there a alot which are terrorists, there indeed have been incidents of pregnant women. there are about a billion more who just want to live in peace.

I know that Brains..I just wish those millions more who wanted peace would rise and stop the ones who are extremist...and maybe its just the media..but you always see videos of the ones who would rather continue to have violence to destroy their enemy...

Anyway...this is off topic... the video...

anyone here the news today? The White House released "new" footage of "the plane" hitting the Pentagon.

I don't know about you guys, but seeing a police car before "the plane" hitting the building (mind you the video quality is still as shitty as the 5 frame version) isn't exactly "NEW" footage.

btw, this doesn't change the fact that I still think that "the plane" was a missile.

i think the whole video footage thing is peculiar. these cameras were not calibrated to record a high speed attack from a airborne source.

can you cay FRAMERATE.

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and what really amuses me is the people who dray red circle around blotches that are clearly NOT the plane.

you know, most of the kids touching themselves to scrambled playboy channels are gawking at knees and elbows... and furniture.

Cmon..that rusted bed frame is so damn sexy!


Although I would hope it wasnt a missle, I wouldn't be suprised by any actions of our government.

A normal USA television camera records at 30 fps...

High end video equipment can go around 1000 fps to record explosions, and incredibly fast moving objects.

So..a security camera that probably has some age on it most likely would record at 15-20 fps... and thats to capture video.

Odds are, they usually capture a frame every second or 2 at most when they record. (saves tape. Requires less tape changing).

http://sympaticomsn.ctv.ca/servlet/Article...aden_msg_060523

Thus Spake Bin Laden:


wow. the damn man admitted he was in charge of the 19 "brothers"... and ASSIGNED THEM THE TASK.

and there is still a guy SOMEWHERE typing how this is a hoax as well.

I think Osama is dead ... and if he isn't, I am absolutely pissed off we haven't caught him yet. I smell some complete bullshit somewhere, and I know we are being lied to by someone.

apparently someone missed the Bin Ladin segment of the loose change video...

Bin Laden is Bush's poster boy to justify attacking foreign nations.

we can't base all events that happend on 911 just on what was presented in loose change.

there are many fallacies and exaggerations in the video, the bin laden segment, imo, being one of them.

Very interesting posts... But the other part of world also have some interesting stories about Bin Laden, & they are not in his favor believe me...

However, I have 1 question in my mind from very long time, which is not satisfactorily answered by anyone. That is, why some countries harbored Bin Laden (provided safe-haven in other words), when Saudi Arabia (Islam's homeland) expelled him & designated him as terrorist?