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Scientists respond to Gore's warnings of climate catastrophe

"The Inconvenient Truth" is indeed inconvenient to alarmists

By Tom Harris
Monday, June 12, 2006


"Scientists have an independent obligation to respect and present the truth as they see it," Al Gore sensibly asserts in his film "An Inconvenient Truth", showing at Cumberland 4 Cinemas in Toronto since Jun 2. With that outlook in mind, what do world climate experts actually think about the science of his movie?

Professor Bob Carter of the Marine Geophysical Laboratory at James Cook University, in Australia gives what, for many Canadians, is a surprising assessment: "Gore's circumstantial arguments are so weak that they are pathetic. It is simply incredible that they, and his film, are commanding public attention."

But surely Carter is merely part of what most people regard as a tiny cadre of "climate change skeptics" who disagree with the "vast majority of scientists" Gore cites?

No; Carter is one of hundreds of highly qualified non-governmental, non-industry, non-lobby group climate experts who contest the hypothesis that human emissions of carbon dioxide (CO2) are causing significant global climate change. "Climate experts" is the operative term here. Why? Because what Gore's "majority of scientists" think is immaterial when only a very small fraction of them actually work in the climate field.

Even among that fraction, many focus their studies on the impacts of climate change; biologists, for example, who study everything from insects to polar bears to poison ivy. "While many are highly skilled researchers, they generally do not have special knowledge about the causes of global climate change," explains former University of Winnipeg climatology professor Dr. Tim Ball. "They usually can tell us only about the effects of changes in the local environment where they conduct their studies."

This is highly valuable knowledge, but doesn't make them climate change cause experts, only climate impact experts.

So we have a smaller fraction.

But it becomes smaller still. Among experts who actually examine the causes of change on a global scale, many concentrate their research on designing and enhancing computer models of hypothetical futures. "These models have been consistently wrong in all their scenarios," asserts Ball. "Since modelers concede computer outputs are not "predictions" but are in fact merely scenarios, they are negligent in letting policy-makers and the public think they are actually making forecasts."

We should listen most to scientists who use real data to try to understand what nature is actually telling us about the causes and extent of global climate change. In this relatively small community, there is no consensus, despite what Gore and others would suggest.

Here is a small sample of the side of the debate we almost never hear:

Appearing before the Commons Committee on Environment and Sustainable Development last year, Carleton University paleoclimatologist Professor Tim Patterson testified, "There is no meaningful correlation between CO2 levels and Earth's temperature over this [geologic] time frame. In fact, when CO2 levels were over ten times higher than they are now, about 450 million years ago, the planet was in the depths of the absolute coldest period in the last half billion years." Patterson asked the committee, "On the basis of this evidence, how could anyone still believe that the recent relatively small increase in CO2 levels would be the major cause of the past century's modest warming?"

Patterson concluded his testimony by explaining what his research and "hundreds of other studies" reveal: on all time scales, there is very good correlation between Earth's temperature and natural celestial phenomena such changes in the brightness of the Sun.

Dr. Boris Winterhalter, former marine researcher at the Geological Survey of Finland and professor in marine geology, University of Helsinki, takes apart Gore's dramatic display of Antarctic glaciers collapsing into the sea. "The breaking glacier wall is a normally occurring phenomenon which is due to the normal advance of a glacier," says Winterhalter. "In Antarctica the temperature is low enough to prohibit melting of the ice front, so if the ice is grounded, it has to break off in beautiful ice cascades. If the water is deep enough icebergs will form."

Dr. Wibjörn Karlén, emeritus professor, Dept. of Physical Geography and Quaternary Geology, Stockholm University, Sweden, admits, "Some small areas in the Antarctic Peninsula have broken up recently, just like it has done back in time. The temperature in this part of Antarctica has increased recently, probably because of a small change in the position of the low pressure systems."

But Karlén clarifies that the 'mass balance' of Antarctica is positive - more snow is accumulating than melting off. As a result, Ball explains, there is an increase in the 'calving' of icebergs as the ice dome of Antarctica is growing and flowing to the oceans. When Greenland and Antarctica are assessed together, "their mass balance is considered to possibly increase the sea level by 0.03 mm/year - not much of an effect," Karlén concludes.

The Antarctica has survived warm and cold events over millions of years. A meltdown is simply not a realistic scenario in the foreseeable future.

Gore tells us in the film, "Starting in 1970, there was a precipitous drop-off in the amount and extent and thickness of the Arctic ice cap." This is misleading, according to Ball: "The survey that Gore cites was a single transect across one part of the Arctic basin in the month of October during the 1960s when we were in the middle of the cooling period. The 1990 runs were done in the warmer month of September, using a wholly different technology."

Karlén explains that a paper published in 2003 by University of Alaska professor Igor Polyakov shows that, the region of the Arctic where rising temperature is supposedly endangering polar bears showed fluctuations since 1940 but no overall temperature rise. "For several published records it is a decrease for the last 50 years," says Karlén

Dr. Dick Morgan, former advisor to the World Meteorological Organization and climatology researcher at University of Exeter, U.K. gives the details, "There has been some decrease in ice thickness in the Canadian Arctic over the past 30 years but no melt down. The Canadian Ice Service records show that from 1971-1981 there was average, to above average, ice thickness. From 1981-1982 there was a sharp decrease of 15% but there was a quick recovery to average, to slightly above average, values from 1983-1995. A sharp drop of 30% occurred again 1996-1998 and since then there has been a steady increase to reach near normal conditions since 2001."

Concerning Gore's beliefs about worldwide warming, Morgan points out that, in addition to the cooling in the NW Atlantic, massive areas of cooling are found in the North and South Pacific Ocean; the whole of the Amazon Valley; the north coast of South America and the Caribbean; the eastern Mediterranean, Black Sea, Caucasus and Red Sea; New Zealand and even the Ganges Valley in India. Morgan explains, "Had the IPCC used the standard parameter for climate change (the 30 year average) and used an equal area projection, instead of the Mercator (which doubled the area of warming in Alaska, Siberia and the Antarctic Ocean) warming and cooling would have been almost in balance."

Gore's point that 200 cities and towns in the American West set all time high temperature records is also misleading according to Dr. Roy Spencer, Principal Research Scientist at The University of Alabama in Huntsville. "It is not unusual for some locations, out of the thousands of cities and towns in the U.S., to set all-time records," he says. "The actual data shows that overall, recent temperatures in the U.S. were not unusual."

Carter does not pull his punches about Gore's activism, "The man is an embarrassment to US science and its many fine practitioners, a lot of whom know (but feel unable to state publicly) that his propaganda crusade is mostly based on junk science."

In April sixty of the world's leading experts in the field asked Prime Minister Harper to order a thorough public review of the science of climate change, something that has never happened in Canada. Considering what's at stake - either the end of civilization, if you believe Gore, or a waste of billions of dollars, if you believe his opponents - it seems like a reasonable request.

http://www.canadafreepress.com/2006/harris061206.htm

Hah! Excellent article there! I love this part:

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Carter does not pull his punches about Gore's activism, "The man is an embarrassment to US science and its many fine practitioners, a lot of whom know (but feel unable to state publicly) that his propaganda crusade is mostly based on junk science."

I've noticed that the environmental alarmists have been increasing their rhetoric lately. That Algore is an idiot. Thank God he didn't become president.
Sinbad
I find it very hard to believe we are causing global warming when we are mostly going off of 100 years or so of GOOD evidence, and the other evidence indicates this is nothing but natural cycle.
raum
As a person with extensive professional environmental compliance experience with a prominent energy company, I have to hold my ribs when I see those alarmists who deal with the "Inconvenient Truth" that they are people who have no idea what "climatic emission variance" means, in terms of environmental impact.

we have to account for it on a monthly basis.

But fret not, SOME OF US are actually aware of what needs to be done to create a stable provision of electricity across fuel sources... and we do it.

and the environment thrives when we get to do our work independent of people wearing shirts with cheap prints of melting icebergs on them.
virtualraider
QUOTE(Sinbad @ Jun 14 2006, 16:38) *

I find it very hard to believe we are causing global warming when we are mostly going off of 100 years or so of GOOD evidence, and the other evidence indicates this is nothing but natural cycle.


Hmm, I am confused By your statement. Are you saying the other evidence is not good.

All of the environmental evidence that we have is for a very short period considering the age of Earth. I have read mountains of information about the Earths environment, the only thing that is clear to me is environmental changes to the Earths atmosphere move along slower than a snails pace.

The only way we will ever experience a dramatic change in our global weather is if a Volcano erupts more violently than it has in the past history, a major earthquake like we have never experienced yet, or if a very large meteor hits our planet. There are other ways that us humans could invoke a nasty change to are weather pattern, this unfortunately is more likely that any of the other scenarios.
raum
newsflash: Eschatology is not an environmental science.

I honestly believe no person who deals with or maintains models of Climate Risk Management believes in a contingency that there is an inevitable course of environmental impact, or a permanent effect, from ANY given stimulus.

the pattern of weather has been locked into a "circle" for purposes of observation. the planet is not round, and a year is not a full rotation around the sun.

everything relied upon in observation must be kept in CONTEXT. Relying upon physical observation alone, mankind could rally to reach a star that has long burned out, and exhaust itself to the last of its kind to try and reach it,.. only to find a void that seeks to consume all.

a frequency of pattern is ESTABLISHED by establishing parameters, and measuring how long and how often thse parameters are enacted by your control testing.

this is by no means a way to actually form a estimation of weather, climate, or environmental effect, for their is no way to control test, without STEPPING OUT OF THE MODEL.

and all models are built upon assumptions,.. which NEVER make an allowance for the full set of process imput drivers which are at play in developing a legitimate understanding of the situation,.. thus all attempts to rectify human impact on the environment can only be measured against the results of the control testing, which can NEVER include the environment of the planet UNTIL we can STEP OUT OF THE MODEL and decide what the most significant goals to achieve are.

until then, we simply prescribe intention to rectify as a placebo for the consciousness and confidence of the people who simplify the model for their own political and financial gain.
Sinbad
QUOTE(virtualraider @ Jun 15 2006, 23:01) *

QUOTE(Sinbad @ Jun 14 2006, 16:38) *

I find it very hard to believe we are causing global warming when we are mostly going off of 100 years or so of GOOD evidence, and the other evidence indicates this is nothing but natural cycle.


Hmm, I am confused By your statement. Are you saying the other evidence is not good.

All of the environmental evidence that we have is for a very short period considering the age of Earth. I have read mountains of information about the Earths environment, the only thing that is clear to me is environmental changes to the Earths atmosphere move along slower than a snails pace.

The only way we will ever experience a dramatic change in our global weather is if a Volcano erupts more violently than it has in the past history, a major earthquake like we have never experienced yet, or if a very large meteor hits our planet. There are other ways that us humans could invoke a nasty change to are weather pattern, this unfortunately is more likely that any of the other scenarios.


All I'm saying is the data we have from the last 100 years or so is cold, hard, recorded, observed evidence. Before that, the data from a much longer time frame suggests the oppisite of a human effect on global warming.
virtualraider
QUOTE(raum @ Jun 16 2006, 07:45) *

a frequency of pattern is ESTABLISHED by establishing parameters, and measuring how long and how often thse parameters are enacted by your control testing.

this is by no means a way to actually form a estimation of weather, climate, or environmental effect, for their is no way to control test, without STEPPING OUT OF THE MODEL.


After thinking about this for a few days.... We are part of the model, we evolved along with it, there is no way for us to have a true model with out our environmental contribution. If we had a duplicate earth that evolved without human interaction, then maybe we could compare the two to see how the models differed. The results of these two models would indicate how much of an impact we have on the earths environment.
raum
exactly, VR!

We can never REALLY KNOW how healthy our speculations about environmental impact of human development REALLY are. Therefore, it is functionally useless to use them to legislate, or to market them as a "inconvenient truth" by a man who ok'ed a nuclear waste center within close vicinity of a children's school while he was in office.

I am not saying the energy industry (or any industry for that matter) can deny it has any impact... but that we can not use our *findings* as a means to do anything but assign an "assumption". And we (hopefully) all know that if the assumption in a mathmatical problem is inaccurate, the equation will be WAY off base.

which could do us more harm in the long run.

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Don't get me wrong. My company has a very aggressive initiative to adhere and raise the bar for enivironmental considerations, and we all do our part. We all know it is important, but none of us actually know or pretend to know HOW important.

BTW: We have full cacpacity power plants that have less emissions than Al Gore's marketing campaign flights. Does he not realize planes have exhaust, or he could fly in a smaller plane?
Chugworth
You know, it's amazing:

Study says Earth's temp at 400-year high

They just run this crap without even realizing what they are printing. I mean, if the Earth's temperature is the highest it's been in 400 years, well what caused global warming 400 years ago??
Man1k3n
Well, personally I've noticed a climate change when I compare my childhood to my current adulthood. Summer seems to approach earlier now, when back when I was a kid it hit about mid June where I lived, but now it starts off in about April/May. Winter doesn't seem to snow as much as it did and we have warmer temperatures now during the winter. At least that is my viewpoint on the entire situation.
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