I just wondered what you guys think about this?

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2006300314,00.html
A Muslim only day.

I'm not going to to the usual thing here and say "One of my best friends is Muslim, and I have nothing against them"
Truth be known, I don't know any Muslims. But this story really has nothing to do with religion. Is is alienating a huge ammount of people. Would alton towers conside having a "Whites only day"?

Racist I know, How can you say sorry we are only letting non-black people in today. Its a stupid idea and it would never be allowed. Right?

Its no different to saying we're not acepting non muslims today.

(To reitterate, this is not about muslim people, its about alton towers' policys)

just like you said, islam is a religion, it's not a race. and we cannot call this issue "racist" and not all muslims are black?

actually, i think people should have an idea before commenting on any subject.

sorry for the bad english, it's not my native language.

and i want to add that this "only muslim day" is the most ridiculous think i've ever heard. i live in turkey and i'm a muslim too. but this is really really weird.

from the page,
"We’re trying to get Muslims to go to this day because they wouldn’t normally go somewhere like Alton Towers."

we wouldn't normally go? this is really a big bullshit, i just cannot understand why they're dividing world people.

i mean people are people, all races, all religions, we're all mankind. why do they have to divide everyone to classes? it just sucks.

"We’re trying to integrate Muslims into the wider community. People can come down and see the way we live. It will be a peaceful family environment"

what are we? martians? the whole idea and the news aren't going anywhere, really.

I wasnt implying that all muslims are black. Sorry I worded that badly. I was mearly drawing a comparison, only letting a certain group of people in.

"Non-Muslims phoning the Staffordshire park have been refused tickets."
THATS racist. I'm not allowed in that day because I dont hold certain religious beleifs

you're right. that's making really no sense. and i just can't believe the guys who is going there that day, even they're muslims. i wouldn't go to something ridiculous and dividing organization.

I started this thread, because I wondered what other people thought about this. But thiking about it, I guess that I ould also like to know Alton Towers' oppinion on "other" xOnly days.

I just sent them an email, If I get a reply I'll post that too.


Good morning to the sales team.

I was overjoyed when I read in my paper that you are soon to be holding a "Muslim only" day at your theme park. I cant describe my happyness at the news that an organization of your size is finally implementing racial segregation. Unfortunately, being a non Muslim, I of course will not be welcome at this day. I was however wondering if you could provide me with information on other upcoming events.

In particular I would like details on any events such as:

Christians only
Whites only
and possibly weather you have any days where homosexuals will not be welcome.

I look forward to hearing from you
Many Thanks
Tristan

this is bullshit

I second that.

I'm ringing into Alton Towers to see if I can get a Sikh day! :rofl:

Seriously, how fucked up is this.

.....(head shake).....this is why i dont watch the news....then i dont ahve to hear about this shit.

now muslim day wouldnt be so bad if other people were allowed to show up and have fun too.
as to christian day, white day, HELL YAH. now some people might call me racist for saying that, but Racisum has become a fallback for everything. if your guilty of something in the eyes of the law. just say you were being racially repressed and bam your a free man/woman.

what is this some kind of political stunt that the liberals have pulled out of thier butts so that they can look good?

(head shake)

Being muslim is a way of life, not just a religion.

Either way, this is ludacris.

I see no problem with it, if the board of directors thinks it is ok. It is after all a free market world.

On those days, they are taking out the drinking and adding places to pray and whatnot.

Well, that's their loss of revenue... and they will get a fairly small turnout from the lack of food and drink sales, but it will probably exceed the same rate for a private function.

In fact, this sounds like some rich Muslim. They love to buy out whole venues for themself, and then they invite any and every Muslim and remain anonymous except to those who are of their same social class, as a sign of their status.

Saw it a few times in the Middle East.

Now my question: Who is to say you are or are not "Muslim"?

(got free Pizza and video games at a mall in Saudi Arabia because I knew enough about islam and culture to get in.)

but they are discriminating against more people now, just to prove that they don't discriminate. it's the horseshoe effect. you have two ideas which are far left and far right, but in a horse shoe, it turns out they aren't that far off. they are being so undiscriminating, that they are discriminating again.

You can't base arguments of positive discrimination, because the "positive" is subjective. If muslims can have their exclusive day here, why can't christians have their only days too?

Edit:

Having read it, "Alton Towers said any organisation could hire the park for a day." I guess it's fair enough. I still think it's wrong to call it Muslim however.

Organisers Islamic Leisure have billed it the First National Muslim Fun Day and tickets can only be bought through their website.


This is the organization who "bought the park for the day." You have to get tickets through them, because they did not want it only open to Muslims,.. rather they want Muslim Law there. The mixup was in the Name "Muslim Funday" - Alton Park thought it was only supposed to be Muslims, and Islamic Leisure wanted only those activities and refreshments that would not offend the Muslim sensibilities.

s'ok, BIG DIFFERENCE between "Islamic Leisure rents Alton Park, and arranges for Muslim Friendly Day, where Muslim Law will be the rule, and only those guests who accept that will be admitted." and "OMG Teh Muslims are getting the whole park to themselves. Why don't Christians... blah blah."

knew there was more to it than that...

Would you see it as a problem if at the end of my first post in this thread, I said that I would like only arian people to reply? Its the same principal, I'm discriminating against certain people, and allowing only pure white people to to answer me.

no, Tristan, it's not the same.

1. the criteria is not race, which is not chosen. It is a code of authority important to the religion of Islam. Religion is a choice. (or at least it should be)

2. The group is called Islamic Leisure. Why not call the day they rented the park "Muslim Fun Day"?

3. Though their motivations are in accordance with Islam, they declared any people of any faith were welcome; but as a rule all ticket sales should be in advance. They just rented the park, for a private function, and for the time of their rental, all activities, refreshments, and the general environment will exclude those regular elements of the park that are offensive to those who follow the religion of Islam.

Read the article, they were upset when Alton Towers was turning other people away, and now islamic Leisure is the exclusive ones selling tickets. The reason is simple : This is a business holding a function for revenue gains. They invested in renting the park, and are selling attendance rights. Just like people who produce clubs. They are catering to Muslims, but they will take your money just as easy, if you are respectful of the fact the event is catered to Muslims. (and I expect they will try to keep a Muslim majority at the event.)

This is what this is like:

like a ministry renting out a convention center or park to hold a revival. same thing. happens all over the world.

Have you ever been to a club or festival like that?

Christians have them all the time.

FREE - http://www.creationfest.org.uk/

and

PAID - http://www.greenbelt.org.uk/

but this is different, it's an amusement park, huh?

well, Christians already have their own...

http://www.theholylandexperience.com/

and so do the Hindi...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/raj712/81376601/
(photo of Wonder La in Banglagore)

and many groups still rent parks out for official functions if you check "Kingdom Bound 2006" is held in Darrien Lake Six Flags in New York in about a Month.

I'm not saying I would do it, or even that it appeals to me. just saying it is not as big a deal as it was made out to be... and it certainly was not planned as "Muslim only day", but rather it is called "Muslim Fun Day."

and I am not vouching for any of these groups or any theme park.

Ok, I'll re word it. What if I said "From now on I dont want anybody who is not a Christian to post in this thread".

Oviously untrue, and for me not practical. Most of the members of this forum would also find it deeply offensive.

There is a difference still...

The park was privately owned, and freely rented out, which can be done to anyone, for anyone, by anyone.

They can have a nazi day, a black day, a white day, etc, especially the 'renting group' is doling out the tickets.

To make your claim of christens only in this thread would be discrimination being that this is a public forumn, which anyone can join. If people were able to buy or rent threads, then they could allow anyone, or no one, as they pleased to post in those threads.

If I created a website, of any topic. And I put a disclaimer on the front page saying that I don't want Jewish people visiting, I would get my ass sued off me, because that would be religious discrimination. I still own the site, but I'm not allowed to ban a religious group from entering it.

No, you actually wouldn't get sued.

Being that it is PRIVATE domain. Not a public site.
I can bar all christians, blacks, and gays from my house. That's my right. But I cannot do it from a public establishment with an open door policy. ie: restaurant. But if the restaurant is closed to the public, because of a private function, then they can do whatever.

First for all, i think its a market plan no more, second i want to say you have to know what Islam ordered Moslims to do with other relegions, im a Moslim and we are ordered to respect christiand and jews and we dont have to do anything bad to them we dont have to do anything bad with there temples, we can eat from there food they can eat from our food, so its ridiculous to make something like this a day for Moslims only lol, i do living and working with some christians people and some of them are a close friends, and there is nothing at ISLAM ristrict us from doing that, anyway what i want to say there is some people trying to attach some rules or ideas to ISLAM its not on it, so please before you judge about something like this ask any Moslim if this thing really in ISLAM or not .

I wanna know when they have
Godless Heathen Fun Day ™.

If I were in the UK, I'd help sponsor it, and make it free to anyone who failed an alchohol breathalizer and that was naked or dressed like a religious leader or prophet.

That's nothing like what's going on.

A proper example would be if you made a site, and make it especially for Jews, and had information related to Jews and exclusive to Jews, but let anyone read it:


http://www.christianity.com/

http://www.beingjewish.com/

http://www.venganza.org/

etc.

Theme Park calls off "Muslim Fun Day"

Guess we were more interested in talking about it than they were in going

I am a muslim (Turk). and This is not important. They are in a foreign land. They can do things like that. There is mo problem...

What exactly was the point of this? We've already established that they're allowed to do this.

okey, okey no problem. I did not want to say a wrong thing.

I think what metesen is saying is:

"What's the big deal? They wanted to rent the park for a day, which they can legally do in that country. It's not part of our religion to rent amusement parks, and thus it is not really a "Muslim" thing, but you can do it in Britain, and it is in this case, a "British" thing."

Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think you man offense.

No, he didn't mean offense, but I think zxy was wondering why he made his first post a re-hashing of an essentially dead subject

YES... You are right. You understood me very good. In my Land, Foreign Humans make what you want to do without disturbing anybody. And this is a natural thing. I cannot see any problem...