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Troops 'took turns' to rape Iraqi
A US military hearing has examined testimony of how three soldiers took it in turns to try to rape an Iraqi girl aged 14 in Mahmudiya in March.
The girl and three family members were allegedly killed by four US soldiers.

Graphic details of the attack at the family's home came in a sworn statement by one of the accused, James P. Barker.

The preliminary hearing will decide whether to court-martial the four. The case is one of a series of atrocities blamed on US forces in Iraq.

Along with Sergeant Paul Cortez, Private Jesse Spielman, and Private Bryan Howard, Specialist Barker is charged with rape and murder.

The four are alleged to have helped a former private - Steven Green, who has since left the army - plan, carry out and cover up the attack. Mr Green has pleaded not guilty in a federal court and will be tried separately in the US.

A fifth soldier is alleged to have lied to cover up for his colleagues.

'Whisky and golf'

Investigator Benjamin Bierce interviewed Mr Barker, 23, on 30 June and took down his statement, he told the hearing at a US military base in Baghdad.





On the day of the attack the soldiers had been drinking Iraqi whisky mixed with an energy drink and practising golf strokes at a checkpoint south of Baghdad, Mr Barker's statement said.

One of the soldiers, Steven Green, said he "wanted to go to a house and kill some Iraqis," it alleged.

The four eventually went to a house about 200 metres (yards) away and put the parents and their five-year old daughter in the bedroom, but kept the older girl in the living room.

According to Mr Barker's statement, he and Mr Cortez took it in turns to rape or attempt to rape her.

Mr Barker heard shots from the bedroom, and Steven Green emerged with an AK-47 in his hand saying "They're all dead. I just killed them."


According to the testimony, Mr Green then also raped the girl and shot her dead.

Her body was doused in kerosene and set alight.

The first day of the hearing on Sunday saw an Iraqi army medic describe how he found the bodies of the four Iraqis.

He told prosecutors he was ill for weeks after witnessing the crime scene.

Proceedings are expected to continue for several days.

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/midd...ast/5253160.stm

Published: 2006/08/07 14:49:55 GMT


Sick bastards. FOURTEEN years old. Fuck man, im going to bed. angry.gif
Arctirus
I'm more surprised that people are shocked that things like this happen in war. Yeah, it's sick and they deserve to have their balls cut off and bleed to death but let's face it; they are probably just the ones that got caught. I'm sure this same story has happened again and again over there, as in any war.
bd55
Welcome to the realities of war. Quite sadly many and more terrible things happen. However once in a while one of those is singled out to have a more psychological effect. The reality is much worse.
Jizzylax
Meh ... honestly, the fact that someone raped someone shouldn't come as a shock to anyone really. This just so happens that it was a Muslim and they were in the military. People are sick fucks - just because it was an Iraqi raped by the military makes this so much worse? Rape in any form is terrible so this is no different.
Microshit
Thats the point: they're inthe military. They should be gaurding and representing the US, and are usually looked as "heros" when they come back. This is like a cop raping a 14 year old. Its just plain sick.
Jizzylax
So this is worse than just some random person raping another random person, because they are representing their country? Bullshit. Is it worse than this

http://www.columbusdispatch.com/news-story.php?story=201824

Just because they are representing a country? Hell no.
Microshit
That story linked at that website is completely irrelevant. That guy is just out of his mind, crazy. These soldiers knew exactly what they were doing and abused their military positions to try and cover it up.

YES IT IS worse because they are in the military! For the exact reasons i posted above! A cop raping a girl is definatly going to turn more heads than a mentally disturbed man doing the same thing!
Jizzylax
Yeah it's going to turn more heads, but it isn't any different or worse! Ahh what's the point? Guarantee you weren't as pissed when it was Saddam's government officials raping Muslims. They are government officials! They should have represented their government better! But they were probably using their status with Saddam and position in government to cover that up.
Singh400
Rape is rape. Simple as. It cannot get any worse. We all know this happens, just usually we never hear of it - I'm afraid that is the sorry state of the world now.
zxybgsyxz
QUOTE(Singh400 @ Aug 11 2006, 15:37) *

Rape is rape. Simple as. It cannot get any worse. We all know this happens, just usually we never hear of it - I'm afraid that is the sorry state of the world now.

Eh, rape and murder (or similar) is a bit worse, but that's about it.
Singh400
QUOTE(zxybgsyxz @ Aug 12 2006, 03:57) *

Eh, rape and murder (or similar) is a bit worse, but that's about it.

Yeah yeah, but you get my general gist don't ya.
Microshit
QUOTE(Jizzylax @ Aug 11 2006, 22:25) *

Yeah it's going to turn more heads, but it isn't any different or worse! Ahh what's the point? Guarantee you weren't as pissed when it was Saddam's government officials raping Muslims. They are government officials! They should have represented their government better! But they were probably using their status with Saddam and position in government to cover that up.


What the FUCK man? Dont put words in my mouth! angry.gif I DO NOT agree with Sadaam's government rules and the massacres that came out of it. Why dont you just call me a fucking terrorist while you're at it...


If you dont have anything to say, then say nothing.
Sinbad
QUOTE(Microshit @ Aug 12 2006, 04:58) *

QUOTE(Jizzylax @ Aug 11 2006, 22:25) *

Yeah it's going to turn more heads, but it isn't any different or worse! Ahh what's the point? Guarantee you weren't as pissed when it was Saddam's government officials raping Muslims. They are government officials! They should have represented their government better! But they were probably using their status with Saddam and position in government to cover that up.


What the FUCK man? Dont put words in my mouth! angry.gif I DO NOT agree with Sadaam's government rules and the massacres that came out of it. Why dont you just call me a fucking terrorist while you're at it...


If you dont have anything to say, then say nothing.


So basically your saying you only posted this to make America look bad.
virtualraider
QUOTE(Sinbad @ Aug 12 2006, 06:03) *


So basically your saying you only posted this to make America look bad.


That's what I was thinking when he first posted this.

I generally do hold these positions more accountable because of the power they have, but when it comes to this type of brutality I do not think it is more acceptable for someone who does not hold a position of authority to commit this crime.

This type of thinking comes from living in a subservient society.
Jizzylax
At least some people get my point ....
zxybgsyxz
QUOTE(Singh400 @ Aug 11 2006, 23:10) *

QUOTE(zxybgsyxz @ Aug 12 2006, 03:57) *

Eh, rape and murder (or similar) is a bit worse, but that's about it.

Yeah yeah, but you get my general gist don't ya.

Yup. I had nothing else productive to post though. Haha.
Microshit
QUOTE(Sinbad @ Aug 12 2006, 16:03) *

QUOTE(Microshit @ Aug 12 2006, 04:58) *

QUOTE(Jizzylax @ Aug 11 2006, 22:25) *

Yeah it's going to turn more heads, but it isn't any different or worse! Ahh what's the point? Guarantee you weren't as pissed when it was Saddam's government officials raping Muslims. They are government officials! They should have represented their government better! But they were probably using their status with Saddam and position in government to cover that up.


What the FUCK man? Dont put words in my mouth! angry.gif I DO NOT agree with Sadaam's government rules and the massacres that came out of it. Why dont you just call me a fucking terrorist while you're at it...


If you dont have anything to say, then say nothing.


So basically your saying you only posted this to make America look bad.

Anyone with two braincells anywhere on the globe knows that nothing America is doing to the Middle East is justifyable and has earned its reputation for that. I dont need to post anything to get that message to anyone.

I am posting this to show some of the shit that is going on in Iraq, and all the questions we have to ask about what goes un-noticed.

I still stick to my point. It is much worse when a governmental officer does that. It shows that the soldiers that did this used the advantages they had into negative/unjustifiable effect. They were armed and well trained, the girl was nowhere even near having any defence that would stand against them. All in all, not only did they abuse the girl, but they abused their positions.
Jizzylax
Edit: Fuck it, you don't get the point.
virtualraider
QUOTE(Microshit @ Aug 12 2006, 11:00) *

Anyone with two braincells anywhere on the globe knows that nothing America is doing to the Middle East is justifyable and has earned its reputation for that. I dont need to post anything to get that message to anyone.


Ever heard of MERC or USAID.

Americans pour billions of dollars in to the Middle East every year.

I am guessing that you actually only have two brains cells, especially when the US gives even your country millions of dollars every year. Do you also believe that your own politicians line their pockets with this money? you may be correct if this is what is happening.



Madrose
QUOTE(virtualraider @ Aug 13 2006, 15:44) *

Ever heard of MERC or USAID.

Americans pour billions of dollars in to the Middle East every year.

I am guessing that you actually only have two brains cells, especially when the US gives even your country millions of dollars every year. Do you also believe that your own politicians line their pockets with this money? you may be correct if this is what is happening.


Don't give us this shit, US is not giving those funds for nothing, they are paid against services US is benefiting from. Also US is paying Israel a hefty tribute that far exceeds what they give to the other countries, it is actually one third of the total US aids to all foreign countries Proof.

and another point, even if the US is providing aids to any nation that doesn't give them the right to go and rape the women in that country.

There moto is "bring freedom for Iraqis", how is that accomplished when the one who are supposed to protect are the one who kill and rape.

There is already many stories about how the Americans are protecting the Iraqis and the story of Abu Gharib prison is a perfect example.
raum
Do you think rape is only something that happens in war.

YES, these soldiers abused their positions, after being stuck on the rollercoaster that is International sentiment toward America's forces, and getting drunk.

That is no exuse, but that is a dereliction of duty, not emblematic of the reason we are there.

Are we to believe the only rape in Iraq is instigated by Americans? No, just like all other atrocities, it is part of the conflict, a conflict to which we are not immune.

I maintain my stay that this is not going to be easy,.. not nearly as easy as it would have been before WHEN CLINTON SHOULD HAVE RESPONDED.

America's grudge match is a little too little a little too late.

As far as Israeli aid,.. you people seem to forget alot about economics. Israel recieves much of our welfare, in the form of military hardware that is being phased out. It is cheaper to give it to Israel than decomission it. Simple economics.

And when the amount of aid to Israel is reported in our budget, it is not based on the depreciated value, but at the initial production value. The WWII era guns leveled at Pakistan are in many ways obsolete, but functional.

What Israel has, and must retain, is unquestionable air superiority in the region.

But, remind me, again, what countries created the climate necessary for Israel to AT A MOMENT'S NOTICE be ready to respond to an attack concerting the forces of five countries?
Arctirus
QUOTE(raum @ Aug 14 2006, 12:12) *

WHEN CLINTON SHOULD HAVE RESPONDED.


My gosh that's a tired old argument. Please let it die.
raum
yeah, an old argument from a vet who just happened to be there and in the gulf at the time...
dkreifus
Back on topic please...
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