This is the EXACT reason why I stopped visiting the US or UK. Its just fucking racist if you ask me.

Id like to hear your thoughts on this...

Meh, this is too be expected what with the media over-hypering everything.

Not sure if you read this (Link #1, Link #2) but 2 asian looking men were thrown off a flight because they were acting suspicious and speaking what sounded like arabic. They were questioned for 4 hours and they were innocent!

this just shows that Bin Laden has been 100% sucessful in his fear campaign.

Careful, your starting to sound like every other news channel. Just throwing in Al Qaedia/Osama Bid Laden just to raise fear over a news story/event.

(revolution surrenders)

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Seriously, New York airports are no place for politics nowadays; specially flights headed completely cross-country. This guy was here all his life, he knew what would happen now you can't travel with gatorade or hotsauce, and he's going to wear a shirt that has a single cryptic line in English and Arabic that most people won't get. This is a publicity thing, and he is not a victim of racism, he is a victim of suspicion because of suspicious appearance, he is a instigator of controversial events that will punctuate his "cause."

1) Flying on an airplane is a voluntary thing. If you don't want to follow the rules, or you want to go playing with fire with the rules, thats your choice and your actions to deal with
2) There is a VERY hightened sense of security now. Planes have been landing, grounded, diverted over all sorts of things lately.

There was a bomb threat found on a plane 2 days ago. People have been causing commotions, and causing nervousness.
When people act nervous on airplanes, especially in groups, other people speak up about it.
I don't see anything wrong with it. There has been a problem with people of Muslim and/or Arabic decent threatening our planes lately. (see 9/11, WTC, etc). So airlines, and airports, a business, have the right to acknowledge peoples nervousness and do what they can for the safety and comfort of their customers.

If the guy was wearing a shirt that said, "Less violence, more peace", no one would care. But instead, he was wearing a deliberatly political shirt, of rebellion.
They detained chinese, they detaine whites. They detain ANYONE who poses a potential threat or worry.

I don't think its racist at all. I say the airports are WAY too politically correct. If there was a problem with tall brown hair jewish males blowning up planes, I'd have no problems with being searched.
You can't play politics and political correctness with something like security on an airplane. Either way, no one was 'discriminated against'.
Whites, blacks, asian, arab,..any race has been detained.

How can this be the exact reason when it just happened today?

Did you not here about the major terrorist plot to bring down airplane flights out of Britain?

Do you not understand that this has made people very anxious at airports all around the world?

The only person that could be perceived as a racist on this board at this time is you Microshit; With your constant attacks on the western world, it make me wonder who you really are and what you do in life.

One thing has become very clear, and that is you have a very narrow vision of the world in general.

This guy was asking for it. Wearing a shirt like that into an airport is fucking retarded, and I wouldn't doubt he was TRYING to get a reaction from someone. D-Bag.

And Microshit, if this is the reason you don't visit the US and UK, you have poor reasons for not doing things. America is a great place to live, and I feel free to do whatever I want. I'm just refrain from doing things that are idiotic in the first place. Give me a break.


Tend to agree with you there virtualraider, 100 percent. Maybe I'll start finding all the news stories that make Egypt (I believe that is where Microshit is from) look shitty and post them? Nah....

You know exactly what I mean, its this kind of racism that gets on my nerves.
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Seconly, who the fuck are you to call me a racist? QUOTE ME ONCE attacking a US civilian for his racial/cultural background (hell not even US, any one!). I never did that, and never will. I just hate the government, and I have said this many times, "hate the government, not the citizens" . I attack the government, not the civilians and I think I have made that fucking clear. I've said this before and I will say it again, I live with Americans. I LIVE WITH AMERICANS. how the fuck can I be racist against Americans when I live with them, I even went to an American school. Americans are fine, I have nothing against them.

The US government is a load of hypocrisy mixed with sick imperialistic ambitions. Period.

Oh yeah, a cotton t-shirt is going to pull down a plane and kill all on board. A fucking t-shirt will cause WWIII. Bull shit. Its a shirt. I've seen WAY worse anti-american t-shirts made and printed in USA. The guy was clean, passed all security checks, and was stopped due to complete racism. "We will not be silent" can refer to ANYTHING. besides, even if it does refer to the US-led wars in the Middle East, so what if he says "we will not be silent", its a fucking sign of peaceful protest.

Listen man, I'm not a racist, and most people here know that, so stop fucking around.

Jizzylax, find whatever you can and post it, Egypt has as little influence to the world as Morocco. But when a country so influential as the US fucks us, we have to know exactly what is going on.

micro, this dude is American... How can it be racism? what race was his shirt? or is it linguistic persecution?

he was told to wear another shirt, by the propreitor of the plane to ease other customers... and the shirt was provided to him. and he wore it OVER his other shirt.

how does this compare to the case in Europe where a group of passengers refused to let their plane take off until they took two men off the plane who were speaking Arabic? is that why you don't veisit Britain?

besides, this guy was coming back to america from iraq, syria, and other points he had travelled where there is conflict or sentiments of anti-Americanism. He was stopped by SECURITY professionals, and they have the right to refuse to let him board for any reason. They told him to cover the arabic writing, as it was unnerving to passengers. Being that we suffered and thwarted attacks on aircraft in the US, they are fully right to do that. A distrubance for any reason will detract the security professionals from doing their job. Even if this guy doesn't think its a big deal, it is because he is comfortable and likely fluent in Arabic, and he understands the context of his statement.


In Britain, the 150 passengers just took it upon themselves.

lemme guess, you never heard about the British flight, huh? wonder why... maybe because people are LOOKING HARD for signs of American persecution of people of Arabic Descent and Muslims. and you, Micro, are no exception.

A security guard working access control can make a person wearing disruptive clothing change, or disallow access. And for your information, my brother is visiting and was asked to put a shirt on over his t-shirt that had a smiley face showing its middle finger, when he flew up here on the 9th, and he has blue eyes and can't speak a word of any other language! so he put on a button up shirt over it, and buttoned a whole two buttons. and he felt no need to sue the airport.

Y'know...its ok for people to get offended by a picture, but a shirt, heck no, thats fine.

I don't know, we have it just as bad. I would never think of going to another country with something that displays that I am an American. I'm a photographer and I have a little Canadian flag on my camera strap, sort of as a good luck charm to ward off anti-Americanism. I get treated so well that way.

Fucking ironic and hypocritical, isn't it?

I don't see the humor in this dipshit.
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@raum: it's racist against the entire Arab world.

Believe what you want to believe. Its pointless and baseless trying to get across a point to ignoramuses.

Isn't it a wee bit easy to say you never attack the US people and then happily go on and call the US governement hyprocrits an imperialists, and etc.

And who does the US governement represent? And who elects them? And what is the nationality of all US officials? It's not like they are aliens that came from Mars, you know.

When you attack the US governement, you obviously attack Americans.

In this respect, I think you are 100% correct. And that is why I'm starting to feel that a general "go fuck yourself, you can't hurt us, we are going to move on with our lives and ignore you " to Bin Laden after 9/11 would have been a lot better then launching the war on terror.

You can't ignore that the mixture in our society (especially in Europe, where we have larger numbers of Arab people) became a lot more problematic. And now you see young Europeans with Arab/Asian roots who are ready to martyr themselves, something that before 9/11 and the war in Iraq was unconceivable.

K2, you must understand, no ONE not a single person expected the Bush Administration to screw everyone like this. The government represents the people, yes, but when the poptart was elected, most people expected things to get better, not dramatically worse.

Y'know..Micro, you're so quick to bash the US,UK, Israeli governments, but you talk constantly of how life is so strict in your area.

Your grandfather has lived and worked over 50 years, in Saudia Arabia, but he has no citizen ship. POST

Your government arrested a journalist becuase they didn't like something they published POST. Granted, the people protested and he was freed, but the point is, he was arrested.

You believe people should fear their government. POST

You've made various other posts in regards to the strictness of the Saudi and Eygptian governments. To the level that people have to fear death for what others would consider minor.

Frankly, given the choice, I'd stay here. The USA is hardly perfect, but by no stretch of the imagination is any Middle Eastern country.

Here is a thought....

It's VERY easy to find the flaws in the UK, Israel, USA, etc because they all have a free press which is not censored by the government. You mentioned yourself that a journalist was arrested for publishing something against the government. (True or not, that gets settled in court, not jail).

If there was more of a free press, perhaps we'd here more of the problems in your area.

Not that I would trust alot of these journalists. A Reuters respected photographer was willing to photoshop pictures to make Israel look bad. Just imagine what a writer can do with 'protected sources' (read: made up)

I know the Middle East has flaws, I never said there were no flaws. But, all the issues you have posted are local issues, but you have no posted any international policies or anything effecting another country. I live happily in my country, and slowly, we are beginning to fix these issues.

I've said this before but here goes, every culture has its own type of government that suits and is compatible with it.

BUT, as I have said before, the US has immense influence to the entire world. Economically, socially, politically. So this DOES affect the entire Middle East.

What I am trying to say is that we have enough problems here to deal with . Most of them I have not even talked about! To your culture and traditions, our policies might seem like huge problems, but with our culture and traditions, they are not problems. Tell me if you dont understand what I am saying here, i'll try to expand.

You're making it sound like we are living as slaves, it’s not like that.

Most of the problems here, like lack of freedom of press, have their walkthroughs. For example, if a TV station wants to speak COMPLETELY freely about anything they want, they register for satellite broadcast and can say whatever they like; on satellite tv (which most people have).

Hell, I never criticized how the US runs locally. To most, its a easy place to live, with high standards of living.

When, and only when, the US gets its ass out of the Middle East, and stop trading blood for oil, will there be peace. And a lot of people don't get that point. Many believe that "oh well they attacked us first and we must use force to complete the 'war on terror' "

Has anyone here even thought about what caused this global jump in terrorism on a lethal scale? It's Bush's decision on how to deal with 9/11. He went right ahead and attacked the wrong people. What the fuck did Iraq have to do with 9/11? What the fuck did Afghanistan have to do with 9/11? If he’s so brave and mighty, ignoring the UN, and attacked these innocent countries, why didn't he attack Saudi Arabia? Osama Bin Laden IS a Saudi and has a HUGE family that still operates there today. Its all about the money. Bush would of never thought twice about attacking Saudi.

Bush and his administration has caused hundreds of thousands of innocent death, global economic decline, racism on an unimaginable scale, and a loop cycle of terror.

This is all Bush-foreign policy, and it does affect us as Arabs, and as the t-shirt says "We will not be silent."

This t-shirt thing was a local issue. It was a countries private affairs.


Iraq was something much later than afghanisatan. And for the most part, completely unrelated to 9/11.

Afghanisation was hiding Bin laden and refusing to turn him over and cooperate, especially being under the control of the Taliban.

How did the US Government screw everyone? Explain yourself, "rant" "rant" that's all you ever do, and when we post information to explain or disprove, you completely disappear out of the thread, only to start up another "I hate the US Thread" STFU all ready, we know how you feel about the US.

I post whatever I want, whenever I want. If you don't like it, dont read topics with the title "I hate the US" .

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who is "we" exactly? Speak for yourself, many members here are willing to participate in political debates. If you like to live on ignorance, then you are who you are.

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btw, you seem to have something against me personally, PM me if you have a problem with me, personally. I'm off, its a long day tomorrow.

There is no debating the "I hate the US" That is your personal affliction.

You do not debate, you express emotionalism, where are your facts that the US screwed everyone?
When people give valid reply, you retort an answer that has no significance to the subject of the person who replied.

How on earth can I have something against you personally? I have never met you, you just some dip shit on the other end of the Internet who seems to be hell bent on expressing opinions with no facts.

No facts? are you fucking blind! read my reply to dk (post #19). IN that post is just like 40% on how the US fucked us. With Bush in office, the United States IS AT RISK. How? numerous attempts to blow up whatever on US soil (ie. Miami towers). Go read all the topics I posted, WITH FACTS, original news articles from very authentic sources about the war crimes in Iraq, US's blind support for Israel and how that accounts to about 60% of the US-led hate here in the Middle East. Go read about how the US is fucking its own citizens by taxing them crazy for war money (which is according to the UN, an illegal war), and the thousands of troops that are being killed. Go read about the US's "the show must go on" when hundreds of children were being slaughtered in Lebanon. That’s how the US fucked us, and this is only recently (in a historical sense). I have never in my life studied a history filled with so much bloodshed and hypocrisy such of that of the US.
Again, stop speaking out of ur ass and use your God-given brain and don't tell me I don't post facts.
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Oh and dk, the war on Afghanistan is not justified in any way. holding an entire nation responsible for the acts of a group (Al-Qaeda) is not right. USA has killed over 150,000 Afghans in Afghanistan. 3000 people were killed in 9/11. That’s a ratio of 50:1 . Don't you think that is enough revenge?

You can't look at everything as a numbers game. Its not that it a 50:1 ratio. Wars don't work like that.
Germany lost WWII, but they exterminated over 12 million people. Russia lost close to 30 mil. There wasn't over 50 mil germans killed.

Bin Laden and AL-Quada were very closely tied with the Taliban (still are probably). The Taliban, much like Hamas, were running the government in Afghanistan. They were harboring Bin Laden with no intent of releasing him or turning him over.

Guess you're right in a way, but still, bombing well-packed villages is not justified

Its a shame. Its not about justification. They went to war with a nation. Whosever ground the battle is on, always has pain of loss of innocent life.

No matter who or what it is.

perfect word to describe this situation, its a shame.

I couldn't agree more... That is why I find it so shocking that in America you see growing hate campaigns towards some news media.

Best example being the one versus the New York Times. It struck me that Bush attacks a particular newspaper for bringing the news about the SWIFT scandal. And then you got columnists asking for the burning down of the NYT.

That is getting close to propaganda/censorship as well, especially since that other "extreme-left" newspaper, the Wall street journal brought the swift news the same day.

You get people in the US that start shouting "unpatriotic!!!" to anybody who dares to be critical. Very shameful for such a democratic nation.

(and how about the recent $20 million contract for propaganda sorry, for "positive press" on Iraq... )

so how does this compare to the Canadians kicking a Jew off a plane for praying too loudly? Was that "racist" as well?

Link....
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/montreal/story/20...yeronplane.html

mmm, if a Muslim would suddenly openly start praying out loud on a plane I was in, I admit that I would be shitting my pants... So I guess they didn't want to make a difference between religions

I have no clue why people fear others when they pray. The Jew could of done it silenty (theres no difference inthe tone of voice you use when praying), but I guess he chose not to. If I heard him, I wouldn't be afraid.

The biggest reason is that there is a general understanding that suicide bombers have to perform a prayer, and a cleansing of themselves before they 'martyr' themselves.

First time I've heard of that. Anyways I wouldn't be 'fraid, hell I reguraly recite some passages from the Guru Granth Sahib while in college/on bus/wherever, and nobody says jack to me.

I admit, shortly after 9/11 and during the time the trains were threatened, I was on a PATH train a man was reading from the Quoran and such.

It made me a bit nervous, but tensions are high...

Anyway..thats all off topic...

Back to this t-shirt

It's not even that off-topic dk. The t-shirt and the praying are the same for me: it's a matter of where people put the limit, and that can change rapidly.

A few days after the recent London story (preventing of blowing up planes) a plane from the Netherlands returned after several hours escorted by F16's because the passengers had seen some Arab passengers passing mobile phones amongst each other during the flight.

Those guys checked out fine (of course, I would say), but I can understand that people get a little anxious these days.

5 years ago somebody praying in a plane wouldn't have bothered anybody, but yeah, hmmm, then we had 9/11.

Same story for the arab t-shirt. 5 years ago, that would have been no issue.

And by the way, a story in my newspaper said that a Belgian doctor also had an issue: she was in LA to pick up a donation liver, and of course that is kept in fluid. It took her several hours to convince the airport services to allow her to take the box inside the passenger cabin. The liver arrived in Belgium just-in-time: 1 flight later and it would have been useless.

I am not even going to lie....


I see a muslim with me in a bus/airplane or a place with a lot of people and I AM GOING to be nervous. Has happened already, and I admit it's a bit fucked up to judge people like that but they (the suicide bombers etc) brought that shit into their people. It's their fault.

Thats ignorant on your side, and shameful on ours.

It might be, and that's not something I'm proud of. But unfortunately, I don't know which one is the one that's just going from point A to point B... and which one is the crazy asshole.

Again, that's something that the real terrorists brought into their own people.

I don't think its ignornat..its fear. It's human. Its ignorant if he didn't admit it and just denied it, or didn't have a reason for his fear. (ie: racism)

I was on a NJ/NY PATH train a while back, and there was a muslim man praying. I fortunately was aware that it was the time of day that many muslims pray. (my co-worker does it every week on Fridays). Even with that knowledge, I still was a bit nervous.

Bin Ladin succeeded halfway. People are afraid. But rather than fear him, it makes people fear muslims and increased intolerance in an already scary world

When you say praying, you mean reading from the Holy Quran?

btw, Muslims pray 5x a day. And must pray together at the mosque every Friday.

Yes, from the Quran

It's not ignorance. Ignorance is when you finally get comfortable with situations like those and the one person you end up being suspicious about turns out to be someone planning an attack or trying to carry it out. Being suspicious is acceptable. Doing more than that is not.

In response to your signature, there's a huge difference between the two countries. The US has not only fought for their freedom from the British, but also fought to get or keep their land. Then factor in the US's policy of assisting allies in war or fighting as needed for the UN. The US is a superpower to this day. Iran is nowhere near as successful as the US in most ways. Iran is brought up to hate the US and certain other countries. The US may hate countries, but we are not brought up to hate them.

You say you're not prejudiced in any way against the US. Bullshit.

Oh, so you say that just because they are "assisting allies in war" its makes it justifiable?

" The US is a superpower to this day."
Yeah at the price of millions of lives throughout the bloodiest history I have ever studied. I find it really strange that a country with less than 400 years of history can outbeat countries with thousands of years of history and progress. Its like an average guy who becomes a multi billionaire overnight.

"The US has not only fought for their freedom from the British, but also fought to get or keep their land."
Im not talking about those wars, I am talking about international wars. and i like the way you use "their land" btw.

" Iran is nowhere near as successful as the US in most ways."
Yeah because they didn't go slaughtering and stealing throughout their history. And besides, this is not a case of who’s more successful.

Interesting how you state things to suit your own agenda. Iran was know as Persian till 1935. If you use the time line of 1000 years you would have to include all of the wars that Persia was involved in as well.

Once again your version of the facts bear no resemblance to what really happened in history.

Is this racism?

I agree, for instance the USA has not been around for 400 years.
----also from what I remember the USA has only had 9 major wars:
American Revolution
French and Indian War
Civil War
World War I
Korea
World War II
Vietnam
Desert Storm
Iraq (Currently)

Iran has had plenty of wars of the past 1000 years if you look up their history.
(which I'm not going to list because I am unfamiliar with their history)