likuidkewl
Dec 30 2006, 00:16
Chugworth
Dec 30 2006, 03:14
Yeah, now that's what I call justice. Here in the U.S., it takes them about twenty years before they carry out an execution, and you have people complaining that lethal injection is too cruel of a punishment for brutal murderers. There, they give them 30 days and carry it out as soon as possible. And they were getting hundreds of applications from people wanting to be the hangman.
dkreifus
Dec 30 2006, 03:45
Well, done and done. I just read he was hanged.
The one reason US takes so long is to have appeals, etc. There is always room for doubt and they want to ensure that an innocent person is not executed.
Ironically, the USA is one of the last first world nations to use capital punishment. (off topic, so I'll let it go)
But yea... Saddam is now dead
Microshit
Dec 30 2006, 11:25
This is just unbelievably disrespectful. Hanging him on the first day of the Muslim Eid, no body is dancing in the streets, even the ones that wanted him dead, everyone is just shocked that they did this on our Muslim holiday.
ImSkiZZer
Dec 30 2006, 15:57
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Devil McDunnough
Dec 30 2006, 20:04
wow Saddam's dead.....what does this change? NOTHING
Pr0digy
Dec 30 2006, 23:18
They could have done more disrespectful things than that. Che Guevara was executed more violently.
Back on topic, I'm glad he's dead. Some say it was a bad thing because he can be viewed as a martyr, but oh well. He's dead. I'm happy.
Xenokira
Dec 31 2006, 01:28
QUOTE(Microshit @ Dec 30 2006, 05:25)

This is just unbelievably disrespectful. Hanging him on the first day of the Muslim Eid, no body is dancing in the streets, even the ones that wanted him dead, everyone is just shocked that they did this on our Muslim holiday.
Having a Christian upbringing, I don't really know much about Muslim holidays, but I was surprised too that the execution was carried out on a holiday.
Arctirus
Dec 31 2006, 16:54
I don't know, if someone like
Edgar Ray Killen who claimed to be a Christian were executed on a Christian holiday I wouldn't feel bad at all. The sooner the better.
Microshit
Dec 31 2006, 18:08
This basically goes against all our traditions, and this just goes to show how low the Bush Administration is, and by killing him on this religious, and joyful holiday, they just made his ENTIRE family, and the ones who respected him (for whatever reasons) block out the joy of the Eid, and replace it with the sadness of his death anniversary. Everyone I know, and all the arab news-channels are not happy with this.
Sinbad
Dec 31 2006, 18:11
QUOTE(Microshit @ Dec 31 2006, 13:08)

Everyone I know, and all the arab news-channels are not happy with this.
To be perfectly honest, I personally don't give a shit. Why should he get any respect? Not like he respected the people he tortured and gassed.
XP_2600
Dec 31 2006, 18:15
USA dont have a right to share its judgment, its something suppose to be done by its country and its people not usa, and sooner or later this judgment will be marked as an injustice judgment, just wait until Bush leave its place and see.
Chugworth
Dec 31 2006, 19:39
QUOTE(XP_2600 @ Dec 31 2006, 13:15)

USA dont have a right to share its judgment, its something suppose to be done by its country and its people not usa, and sooner or later this judgment will be marked as an injustice judgment, just wait until Bush leave its place and see.
What are you talking about? This case was carried out by the Iraqis. And his sentence was certainly not an injustice when you consider all of the people that he has had tortured and killed.
virtualraider
Jan 1 2007, 02:20
QUOTE(Microshit @ Dec 30 2006, 03:25)

This is just unbelievably disrespectful. Hanging him on the first day of the Muslim Eid, no body is dancing in the streets, even the ones that wanted him dead, everyone is just shocked that they did this on our Muslim holiday.
Perhaps Saddam's death should be remembered as the first "animal" sacrifice of this year's Festival of Eid al-Adha; and perhaps it should continue to be remembered that way.
dkreifus
Jan 1 2007, 04:19
QUOTE(Microshit @ Dec 31 2006, 13:08)

This basically goes against all our traditions, and this just goes to show how low the Bush Administration is, and by killing him on this religious, and joyful holiday, they just made his ENTIRE family, and the ones who respected him (for whatever reasons) block out the joy of the Eid, and replace it with the sadness of his death anniversary. Everyone I know, and all the arab news-channels are not happy with this.
Micro..I agree that killing no a holy day of anyones holiday is disrespectful. But there are a few things that I want to clarify.
1. This was not a Bush administration move. I'd love to place blame on Bush for anything, but it wasn't his doing. This was a decision of the judicial system that tried and set his punishment. And although the USA, and primarily the Bush administration were pushing factors for the court, they were not part of the trial process.
2. To MY understanding, and I could be mis-informed on this, Saddam was executed BEFORE the day/holiday started. To the understading of the report I watched, the holiday began at sundown. Again, this could be incorrect information, as I'm not familiar with all the Muslim holidays.
3. MANY, and I mean MANY Arab/Muslim/Iraqis were quite happy that Saddam faced punishment. They didn't comment much on the day, and were more relieved that he was dead. The fact that no one danced in the streets and rioted can be a sign of a more mature reaction to happiness or anger of the people.
XP_2600
Jan 1 2007, 06:59
QUOTE
MANY, and I mean MANY Arab/Muslim/Iraqis were quite happy that Saddam faced punishment.
dkreifus, How in percentage many here mean ? it will be something like 2% or 3% you think its more, but beleive me its something around that, for alot of people Saddam is a hero.
I watched the hanging video on youtube lol, it was quite entertaining!
Singh400
Jan 1 2007, 16:55
QUOTE(Scott @ Jan 1 2007, 15:02)

I watched the hanging video on youtube lol, it was quite entertaining!
Dude, it's a hanging. I don't care whos being hanged, at the end of the day someone died. Ok, yes I know he was responsible for alot of deaths. But that doesn't mean we should all rejoice because we killed a person. Seems kinda a sad state the world is in.
QUOTE(Singh400 @ Jan 1 2007, 17:55)

Seems kinda a sad state the world is in.

with comments like scotski's one, I wholeheartedly agree.
damn. people are sometimes foolish.
zxybgsyxz
Jan 1 2007, 18:38
QUOTE(XP_2600 @ Jan 1 2007, 01:59)

QUOTE
MANY, and I mean MANY Arab/Muslim/Iraqis were quite happy that Saddam faced punishment.
dkreifus, How in percentage many here mean ? it will be something like 2% or 3% you think its more, but beleive me its something around that, for alot of people Saddam is a hero.
Ok buddy. If you think the percentage is that low... well, you're just an idiot. He's a hero for some, but not very many. He's a hero to the extremists who can't get their heads out of their asses.
And about the hanging, yes, it's a person dying, but it was so deserved. The world is not in a sad state just because they don't view everything the way you do.
virtualraider
Jan 1 2007, 19:20
QUOTE(XP_2600 @ Dec 31 2006, 22:59)

QUOTE
MANY, and I mean MANY Arab/Muslim/Iraqis were quite happy that Saddam faced punishment.
dkreifus, How in percentage many here mean ? it will be something like 2% or 3% you think its more, but beleive me its something around that, for alot of people Saddam is a hero.
2 or 3% of what? Believe You what? Hitler, Stalin, and Milosevic are Heros to some as well.
Whats you point?
QUOTE(Singh400 @ Jan 1 2007, 12:55)

QUOTE(Scott @ Jan 1 2007, 15:02)

I watched the hanging video on youtube lol, it was quite entertaining!
Dude, it's a hanging. I don't care whos being hanged, at the end of the day someone died. Ok, yes I know he was responsible for alot of deaths. But that doesn't mean we should all rejoice because we killed a person. Seems kinda a sad state the world is in.

Well I'm desensitized from any violence from video games, movies, constant wars, fights, etc. I really don't care who died. It would be different if someone just walked up and shot him for no reason, but the world was prepared for it, as was he. What did he expect, to get away with what he did? Not saying that killing him solved anything, because it certainly didn't.
How many people die each day? A LOT. It's the fact of life, his life just ended a bit quicker and was filmed. Should have charged $7.94 + tax at Empire Theatres to see it.
I've seen people get killed in car accidents... right in front of me. Also an attempt on my life has been made before as well (driving with a friend, 5 guys get out of a car, throw a crow bar right at our windshield, smashing it out, then started chasing us).
Violence, hangings, porn, and drugs are nothing new. They're just more publicized because us, the viewers (and creators) of the violence enjoy it or find it amazing or interesting, and that's exactly me.
QUOTE(Chugworth @ Jan 1 2007, 06:39)

And his sentence was certainly not an injustice when you consider all of the people that he has had tortured and killed.
so all mofos that fall in that "
he" category
deserve to die right? nothing injustice about it? If bush was hung tomorrow for the same reason, you wont see people "rejoicing" and all that bullshit some heartless fucks are carrying out.
anyway, you guys should jus tone it down, rejoicing someone's death is really something...more fucked up than beastiality. now ive been off here for a while so flame me back, i wont read shit anyway.
myself, im pretty damn sad about him being killed (although theres now rumors that it was fake bla bla fucking bla). may he rest in peace and soon be joined by his lil illiterate nemesis or whatever he likes to call himself.
Chugworth
Jan 2 2007, 06:19
QUOTE(Hasin @ Jan 2 2007, 00:56)

QUOTE(Chugworth @ Jan 1 2007, 06:39)

And his sentence was certainly not an injustice when you consider all of the people that he has had tortured and killed.
so all mofos that fall in that "
he" category
deserve to die right? nothing injustice about it? If bush was hung tomorrow for the same reason, you wont see people "rejoicing" and all that bullshit some heartless fucks are carrying out.
anyway, you guys should jus tone it down, rejoicing someone's death is really something...more fucked up than beastiality. now ive been off here for a while so flame me back, i wont read shit anyway.
myself, im pretty damn sad about him being killed (although theres now rumors that it was fake bla bla fucking bla). may he rest in peace and soon be joined by his lil illiterate nemesis or whatever he likes to call himself.
It's quite simple really. Bush is not in your "he category." Comparing Bush to Saddam is pretty stupid. You should do some research into some of the stuff that Saddam has done while in power, because obviously you have no idea.
I'm certainly not "rejoicing" over this. But if I was one of the Iraqis who has had family members killed or tortured (or had been tortured myself) under Saddam's leadership, then you're damn right I would be rejoicing. I'd be out dancing in the streets!
BlueScreenOfDeath
Jan 2 2007, 06:22
The one moment that the iraqi's do something on their own, and what happens...America still gets the shit storm from it.
QUOTE(Chugworth @ Jan 2 2007, 17:19)

QUOTE(Hasin @ Jan 2 2007, 00:56)

QUOTE(Chugworth @ Jan 1 2007, 06:39)

And his sentence was certainly not an injustice when you consider all of the people that he has had tortured and killed.
so all mofos that fall in that "
he" category
deserve to die right? nothing injustice about it? If bush was hung tomorrow for the same reason, you wont see people "rejoicing" and all that bullshit some heartless fucks are carrying out.
anyway, you guys should jus tone it down, rejoicing someone's death is really something...more fucked up than beastiality. now ive been off here for a while so flame me back, i wont read shit anyway.
myself, im pretty damn sad about him being killed (although theres now rumors that it was fake bla bla fucking bla). may he rest in peace and soon be joined by his lil illiterate nemesis or whatever he likes to call himself.
It's quite simple really. Bush is not in your "he category." Comparing Bush to Saddam is pretty stupid. You should do some research into some of the stuff that Saddam has done while in power, because obviously you have no idea.
I'm certainly not "rejoicing" over this. But if I was one of the Iraqis who has had family members killed or tortured (or had been tortured myself) under Saddam's leadership, then you're damn right I would be rejoicing. I'd be out dancing in the streets!
mmm im not too phased about researching about it, yea the whole round earth is aware of what he's done in the past, and also what some nutcase is doing in the present. maybe saddam's body count is higher, but the illiterate is catching up fast isnt he? and the funny thing, saddam killed people from his own country, and so is bush lol. but anyway, didnt say you were rejoicing, jus some of the other members.
happy new year, may the new US President have a degree
dkreifus
Jan 2 2007, 06:42
@Hasin,
Personally, I don't get the comparison between beastiality and rejoicing in ones death.
Everyone deals with hardship and difficulty. As said, for those people who had family tortured and killed under Saddam's orders, they may be rejoicing. Those people who were living life to the fullest under his reign, may be quite sad.
Personally, I feel it is a bit anti-climatic of an ending. It's hard to imagine that this person who has been a dictator, and a vicious one at that, all my life, is suddenly gone. Its much like the end of a super villian.
I also feel Saddam won in a way. In the eys of his followers, (and I know it is just them), he is a martyr. Personally, I think he should have been put in jail for life. But, the IRAQI court system made their choice, and the deed is done.
And, let no big incident go without its conspiracy theories. I'm sure Saddam will join Elvis, TuPac, Biggie and any others who are living on that mysterious paradise island under the guise of being dead.
QUOTE(Hasin @ Jan 2 2007, 01:36)

mmm im not too phased about researching about it, yea the whole round earth is aware of what he's done in the past, and also what some nutcase is doing in the present. maybe saddam's body count is higher, but the illiterate is catching up fast isnt he? and the funny thing, saddam killed people from his own country, and so is bush lol. but anyway, didnt say you were rejoicing, jus some of the other members.
happy new year, may the new US President have a degree
The illiterate? nutcase? With all due respect, the current president has NOTHING to do with Saddam's past. Treat them as separate issues, and don't combine them. The same applies to Bush. This has NOTHING to do with him. As much as I would love to throw more nefarious deeds to his resume, this is purely about Saddam.
XP_2600
Jan 2 2007, 07:09
Whats make me wonder is, how Americans think about loosing 3000 American citizens in Iraq, just to get some oil and some money, and then the government persuaded americans that its a war against injustice lol, you may don't feel it but when you lose someone you know there you will understand what im talking about.
dkreifus
Jan 2 2007, 07:13
QUOTE(XP_2600 @ Jan 2 2007, 02:09)

Whats make me wonder is, how Americans think about loosing 3000 American citizens in Iraq, just to get some oil and some money, and then the government persuaded americans that its a war against injustice lol, you may don't feel it but when you lose someone you know there you will understand what im talking about.
Actually, Americans don't think like that. Most of America is unhappy about the war. We were told from the start that it was about WMDs. Obviously that turned out to be a lie. But again, this is apples and oranges.
BlueScreenOfDeath
Jan 2 2007, 07:54
people cant accept dkreifus that we think like that , they think we support going after oil and robbing every country we can of it no matter if we cost 3000 or 10,000 lives.
XP_2600
Jan 2 2007, 11:15
QUOTE
people cant accept dkreifus that we think like that , they think we support going after oil and robbing every country we can of it no matter if we cost 3000 or 10,000 lives.
No man its not like this at all, personally i know alot of americans and some of my closest friends are americans or living there for alongtime, and beleive me personally i know that amercian citizens are one of the best and open minded citizens and they don't like injustice, but i think that government using Media alot to persuade them to follow its needs or its targets for instance check how media offered Iraq and Saddam system before the war, so its prepare the people to accept to the war or at least to decrease there anger against war idea, for you and for all of americans Saddam didnt do anything wrong lets assume that he was a bad president against its country, why America care ? and if so is it have the right to judge other country and why its didnt start to judge other bad presidents?
Microshit
Jan 2 2007, 11:32
QUOTE(BlueScreenOfDeath @ Jan 2 2007, 08:22)

The one moment that the iraqi's do something on their own, and what happens...America still gets the shit storm from it.
OK I have been away, on MY EID HOLIDAY, and i just read all this bullshit that is being written here. Firstly, Sadaam was killed on the day of the Eid, and it was after/during the morining prayer (at 5:30AM probably, I dont know Iraq's exact time). Secondly, in responce to
virtualraider , no we dont want to remember someone's death on our religious holiday, but thanks for the ill-thought out suggestion.

In responce to
BlueScreenOfDeath (quoted above): You actually belive that this was all iraqi-hands-on? Iraqis are not doing anything on their own, especially in a sensitive case like this. IRAQIS WOULD OF NEVER made the decision to kill him on the day of Eid, because firstly its against our Islamic religion (both Shia and Sunni) and secondly its against the IRAQI CONSTITUTION to hang anyone on the day of Eid!
dkreifus
Jan 2 2007, 13:10
With all due respect, Micro, the IRAQI judge made the decision. He had wanted it done BEFORE the holiday began.
Unless you have ACTUAL proof somehow that GWB told them when to do it, its just speculation.
kurgan2001
Jan 2 2007, 14:49
Singh400
Jan 2 2007, 15:56
QUOTE(BlueScreenOfDeath @ Jan 2 2007, 07:54)

people cant accept dkreifus that we think like that , they think we support going after oil and robbing every country we can of it no matter if we cost 3000 or 10,000 lives.
Yes, I know the American people don't think like that. But the way your government has been behaving, has portrayed that image of America to the rest of the world.
Microshit
Jan 2 2007, 21:09
So you want me to believe that a judge would go against his nation's own constitution and religion? And this is not any judge or any case. And if you think about it, for what? was Sadaam a threat when he was in his cell? would it of made a difference if he was killed today, or tomorrow, or hell, next year?!
dkreifus
Jan 2 2007, 21:16
Until you can present proof that the US (bush) had something to do with the schedule, there is more evidence to the contrary..
Microshit
Jan 2 2007, 21:20
ofcource I can't prove it, but I can tell, you can tell, anyone can tell. But until someone leaks something like a document or a phonecall or whatever, we wont have proof.
EDIT: If you think about it, nowadays, any major political issue you cant prove.
BlueScreenOfDeath
Jan 3 2007, 06:42
QUOTE(Singh400 @ Jan 2 2007, 09:56)

QUOTE(BlueScreenOfDeath @ Jan 2 2007, 07:54)

people cant accept dkreifus that we think like that , they think we support going after oil and robbing every country we can of it no matter if we cost 3000 or 10,000 lives.
Yes, I know the American people don't think like that. But the way your government has been behaving, has portrayed that image of America to the rest of the world.
Is that exactly right to stereotype the american people for some of our govt's stupid choices? The american people dont really support this war and the reasons we're there. We want to help the Iraqi people, and we support our troops ... thats likely as far as it goes.
XP_2600
Jan 3 2007, 07:33
And how about Bush himself he isn't a criminal ?
Pr0digy
Jan 3 2007, 07:58
QUOTE(XP_2600 @ Jan 3 2007, 01:33)

And how about Bush himself he isn't a criminal ?
How is he? Apparently, I'm not aware of that.
It's really sad that everything that happens in the world, America gets the blame, or our President. Are you trying to compare Saddam to Bush as in criminal-wise? If so, there is a big difference. It's called being convicted of genocide.
Microshit
Jan 3 2007, 09:19
uh hold on there bud. You can compare bush to ANY of the world's major criminals, i personally prefer comparing him to hitler.
XP_2600
Jan 3 2007, 09:21
For sure there is a big defference cause Bush is alot more stupid, and by theway its not my opinion its the opinion of alot of people.
dkreifus
Jan 3 2007, 14:30
Personally, I believe bush is a criminal. I'm an American, and although I don't compare him to Hitler (i think thats extreme), I believe he is guilty of some things.
1. Civil rights violations.
2. International UN violations
3. Jaywalking
lol dk

thanks for that number 3, much needed laughter in this thread ha punk, lol

(no im not being sarcastic, i did laugh)
hmmm, BSOD, you're one of my main men in USA, but yeah man, these little stereotyping that you're saying against the USA that people blaim anything on them, well, me personally (and im sure some millions will back me up), had to put up with from the time the first WTC fell up untill right now, and for how much longer i dont know. but its not as bad, i dont see an american and go "wonder what bomb he's carrying" where as vice versa, i would be a suspect about 1/2 people. edit 1/2 as in one out of two
i cant remember who but whoever said that families of tortured by Saddam, 95% are most definately NOT "rejoicing". and believe me when i tell you that as I AM A MUSLIM and you guys are not, and i say 95% cause 95% of them would be really religious muslims living in Iraq, so they must have read the Quran which states never to take joy in another's death even if its your enemy.
and to be killed on EID, is just .. yea i dont know, a cherry on top of Bush's christmas cake. I'll give you my word, no matter how much ieXbeta members, media, Bush himself say that the decision was made ENTIRELY by the Iraqi Law Abiding Judge, it was NOT made entirely by him. he follows islamic rules and a muslim living in iraq like i said, has to be damn religious, specially under strict islamic laws, and even he wouldnt have the balls to make a decision that went against the laws of Islam. unless $$$ was put forward.
so yea, say whatever you want, its been done, it cant be changed, but the timing and date was just too far, my grandad died on the same Eid Day, he passed away, wasnt killed on purpose and that left a scar which stops us from celebrating our holiday to the fullest, i can imagine what people would be feeling about Saddam. the judge will get fucked up once he is open in the streets though, id guess that, unless hes been flewn back to usa already (cough)
dkreifus
Jan 3 2007, 18:42
Honestly, I don't think Bush or anyone (non-muslim) cared if Saddam was killed on EID. This is not to show ignorance, but rather that it a day that belongs to the muslims.
Honestly, it is very simplistic to delcare "I believe blah blah.." even if there is no proof.
But I'll give you this as food for though. Doing something on EID such as an execution would stir emotion. I didn't know that until now.
Right now, Bush has egg on his face from this whole war. The LAST thing he would want to do is something that would stir riots, emotions, etc out of different factions of people. Especially in an area in turmoil.
It would be STUPID of Bush to want the execution that day. Not saying he isn't stupid, but he would have enough advisors to tell him no.
Apparantly, the execution was originalyl scheduled for before sunrise, the start of EID, as with everything, it got delayed.
kurgan2001
Jan 3 2007, 19:45
You know what. We should just pull out of Iraq. Let them fight and kill amongst themselves since they obviously don't want us there, and patrol our own borders.
We won't do that though. You know why. We're nice.
Yeah I said it .. we're nice .. we like to help people, and what thanks do we get .. a poke in the eye.
I'd pull the troops out gradually and if it turned ugly .. I'd take the Carlos Mencia approach and say "I don't give a shit."
Let's look to our own instead of helping everyone else since, apparently, they can get by on our own ... considering everyone asks for aid from us when the shit hits the fan.
my 2 cents .. if you don't like it ... I don't give a shit.
dkreifus
Jan 3 2007, 19:49
Dude...that was the dumbest comment I've ever heard.
We aren't in Iraq now becuase we are 'nice.' We are there now because our president choose to send us in there, against all requests and rulings against it.
We AREN'T pulling out now becuase it would destroy a country that we have already ripped into shambles.
Yea..lets go with the Carlos Mencia approach.
That was stupid.
virtualraider
Jan 3 2007, 19:53
QUOTE(Microshit @ Jan 2 2007, 03:32)

Secondly, in response to
virtualtrader , no we dont want to remember someone's death on our religious holiday, but thanks for the ill-thought out suggestion.
I understand what you’re saying. My thought was that Saddam did not respect all his peoples religions. If fact he tried to eliminate the ones that he did not like. Being that Iraq's population is predominantly Shi'a, I would have expected a scenario that would have been worse.
I really believe the Bush administration, especially Rumfield, made a really big mess of this whole Iraq war. But you have to admit that Saddam made the Shia's life miserable, especially when it came to their religious beliefs. The Saddam regime severely limited freedom of religion, repressed the Shi’a religious leadership, and sought to exploit religious differences for political purposes.
The Shi'a has a lot of pent up hostility towards the Saddam regime. The video of his death is maybe what the Shi’a needed to really believe that they are now free from his religious persecution.
kurgan2001
Jan 3 2007, 20:04
QUOTE(dkreifus @ Jan 3 2007, 14:49)

Dude...that was the dumbest comment I've ever heard.
We aren't in Iraq now becuase we are 'nice.' We are there now because our president choose to send us in there, against all requests and rulings against it.
We AREN'T pulling out now becuase it would destroy a country that we have already ripped into shambles.
Yea..lets go with the Carlos Mencia approach.
That was stupid.
well hey .. I could've been meaner and took the Lewis Black approach and said 'Fuck em all, turn the place into a glass field'.
true .. we're not there INITIALLY cause we're nice .. but we ARE being nice and training their security.
and actually the country was in shambles before we even intervened there boyo.
people are dying there every day .. and actually dying all over the world ... I guess I'm more desensitized to it then you are.
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