It's a really nice mouse otherwise, and if this issue is resolvable, I'd recommend it
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I just got a bluetooth mouse for Christmas and I'm having some weird intermittent lag issues. This is on my Dell Vostro 1500 notebook and the mouse is a Logitech v470. It seems to work fine using Windows, but when as soon as I open a game (at least both World of Warcraft and Call of Duty 4) the mouse lag becomes really bad and the mouse is pretty much unusable. I've tried disabling my WiFi (thought it might be causing interference), updating both my Bluetooth (Dell 355) and WiFi drivers, but still no improvements. I was just wondering if anyone else has experienced anything like this before (this is my first Bluetooth mouse) and if there is anything else I could try to fix it or at least improve the situation.
It's a really nice mouse otherwise, and if this issue is resolvable, I'd recommend it
It's a really nice mouse otherwise, and if this issue is resolvable, I'd recommend it
Bluetooth has a very high latency... aside from som tweaks to system settings, I don't think there's much to be done. Thats why most logitech mice have their own proprietary recievers... 
That's what I figured. Too bad this mouse came from Amazon, it'll probably be a bitch to return for me since it was a gift. I think i'll pick up the VX Nano to replace it, if I have to have a receiver sticking off my laptop, I want to be small as possible.
Do yourself a favore and get a wired mouse. I can't tell you how many broken wireless mouse receivers and USB ports I've seen because people forget to unplug them before you shove the thing into a bag. If the mouse is wired, you'll notice before you get that far.
Logitech makes an awesome portable wired mouse for $11 at newegg. I've had mine for three years and not a problem with it. The cord wraps up around it for storage, so it's as small as a wireless when not in use.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16826104152
Logitech makes an awesome portable wired mouse for $11 at newegg. I've had mine for three years and not a problem with it. The cord wraps up around it for storage, so it's as small as a wireless when not in use.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16826104152
I think Illy's got a point. If I personally had a wireless mouse on my laptop, I'd probably loose it instantly! Or in a hurry, break the thing.
Are all your games directX FPS's? Try a slower paced game. I never found out why, but one of my games used to work fine (wired mouse I assume), but the mouse pointer was horrendously laggy, even in the menus, to the point it was unplayable. Try an OpenGL game maybe, It could be DirectInputs fault - it's a stretch I know!
However there's always the glaring possibility its because its bluetooth.
Are all your games directX FPS's? Try a slower paced game. I never found out why, but one of my games used to work fine (wired mouse I assume), but the mouse pointer was horrendously laggy, even in the menus, to the point it was unplayable. Try an OpenGL game maybe, It could be DirectInputs fault - it's a stretch I know!
However there's always the glaring possibility its because its bluetooth.
When you move the mouse around, do you notice your CPU usage increasing in the task manager?
@Ill, thank you for the suggestion. I really like the idea of a wireless mouse for notebook use though, so it's not quite what I'm looking for in this situation. However, I might actually order one for use as a spare mouse though. I really like the hide-away cord.
tonight I grabbed my MX Revolution from my desktop to test on my laptop and to compare the Bluetooth v470 mouse to the fast RF Revolution. I'm really leaning to the lag being just Buetooth.
The MX Revolution works fine in any position around my laptop with WiFi enabled. I loaded up the only two games on my laptop at the moment, Call of Duty 4 and WoW, both had zero issues with mouse lag using the MX Revolution.
Messing around with the Bluetooth v470 mouse some more, it seems that the lag is only really bad when used on the right side of my notebook. My guess is that the Bluetooth module is on the left side of the notebook and the system components alone (possibly the video card in particular) are causing enough interference for poor performance. If this is the case, that would explain why its worse in games than in Windows alone. From other stuff I've read online, the direction of the bluetooth module can also play a role of the performance as well. So I'm going to guess and say my problem is being caused by 1.) a faulty bluetooth module (unlikely as it works with other Bluetooth devices), 2.) faulty mouse (again, seems unlikely) or 3.) poor placement of the module in the design of the system.
So, since the Fast RF mouse seemed to work really well, I thought I'd run out to Best Buy and pick up the VX Nano. I really liked the idea of a wireless mouse and this one had the smallest receiver at less than the size of a nickel, including the USB connector...it only sticks out of my notebook by roughly half centimeter, certainly small enough to leave plugged in 100% of the time (any bigger than that and I know I'd be one of the folks with broken receivers that Illrigger mentioned). The mouse itself is alright, it's a little less comfortable than the v470 as even with my small hands I'm at a loss as to what to do with my pinky finger, but performance of the Nano, including in game, is phenomonally better.
I guess I'm not sure if I want to keep Nano yet or not...I just wish it was more comfortable. If anyone else has any recommendations, I'd love to have them.
@Chugworth, when testing the mice, I watched the CPU usage. Initially the Bluetooth mouse seemed to be more demanding on the CPU, however after alternating between the mice several times, it seems their CPU utilization is comparable to each other.
On a sidenote...does anyone know if the Wireless USB standard suffers from latency issues like Bluetooth?
tonight I grabbed my MX Revolution from my desktop to test on my laptop and to compare the Bluetooth v470 mouse to the fast RF Revolution. I'm really leaning to the lag being just Buetooth.
The MX Revolution works fine in any position around my laptop with WiFi enabled. I loaded up the only two games on my laptop at the moment, Call of Duty 4 and WoW, both had zero issues with mouse lag using the MX Revolution.
Messing around with the Bluetooth v470 mouse some more, it seems that the lag is only really bad when used on the right side of my notebook. My guess is that the Bluetooth module is on the left side of the notebook and the system components alone (possibly the video card in particular) are causing enough interference for poor performance. If this is the case, that would explain why its worse in games than in Windows alone. From other stuff I've read online, the direction of the bluetooth module can also play a role of the performance as well. So I'm going to guess and say my problem is being caused by 1.) a faulty bluetooth module (unlikely as it works with other Bluetooth devices), 2.) faulty mouse (again, seems unlikely) or 3.) poor placement of the module in the design of the system.
So, since the Fast RF mouse seemed to work really well, I thought I'd run out to Best Buy and pick up the VX Nano. I really liked the idea of a wireless mouse and this one had the smallest receiver at less than the size of a nickel, including the USB connector...it only sticks out of my notebook by roughly half centimeter, certainly small enough to leave plugged in 100% of the time (any bigger than that and I know I'd be one of the folks with broken receivers that Illrigger mentioned). The mouse itself is alright, it's a little less comfortable than the v470 as even with my small hands I'm at a loss as to what to do with my pinky finger, but performance of the Nano, including in game, is phenomonally better.
I guess I'm not sure if I want to keep Nano yet or not...I just wish it was more comfortable. If anyone else has any recommendations, I'd love to have them.
@Chugworth, when testing the mice, I watched the CPU usage. Initially the Bluetooth mouse seemed to be more demanding on the CPU, however after alternating between the mice several times, it seems their CPU utilization is comparable to each other.
On a sidenote...does anyone know if the Wireless USB standard suffers from latency issues like Bluetooth?
As far as I've read, WUSB isn't for indivdual perhipherals like BT is. It's designed only to connect wireless hubs, which you connect wired USB perhiperals to. Printers and such might come with WUSB built in, but they'll also act as USB hubs, with the printer "device" internally hardwired to the hub.
With any luck, WUSB will take off, USB 3.0 will not gain traction, and 1394B will finally take its place for high speed connectivity like it should have 3 years ago. USB should never have gone into general use as a storage device interconnect to begin with.
With any luck, WUSB will take off, USB 3.0 will not gain traction, and 1394B will finally take its place for high speed connectivity like it should have 3 years ago. USB should never have gone into general use as a storage device interconnect to begin with.
QUOTE(Illrigger @ Dec 28 2007, 22:07) 
As far as I've read, WUSB isn't for indivdual perhipherals like BT is. It's designed only to connect wireless hubs, which you connect wired USB perhiperals to. Printers and such might come with WUSB built in, but they'll also act as USB hubs, with the printer "device" internally hardwired to the hub.
With any luck, WUSB will take off, USB 3.0 will not gain traction, and 1394B will finally take its place for high speed connectivity like it should have 3 years ago. USB should never have gone into general use as a storage device interconnect to begin with.
Actually no, WUSB is intended for all sorts of devices to be able to use it. Wikipedia has some more information on that:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_USB
As for 1394, USB 3.0 may be the final nail in its coffin. It has really been declining over the past few years, and it looks like USB 3.0 is going to bring some pretty nice improvements. Also, it will be backwards compatible with versions 1 and 2. That is very significant. 1394 might have its advantages, but USB has done one thing really well: Make things easy for people.
One new trend that I really like is to see USB used as a power source for small devices. I have two cell phones, three GPS devices, and one Bluetooth headset that can all be charged using USB power. I don't need to sort through a pile of different AC adapters. One plug works for all. I hope we start seeing more USB power outlets in new cars, and maybe even in home electrical outlets.
I understand your point of view Illy, but I have to agree with Chug on this one and I'm looking forward to USB 3.
USB is the main reason I've never bought any external storage. There are some great offers out there on large capacity USB enclosed storage. But I just can't bring myself to do it.
I wish 1394 had gotten more support. USB2 did help a bit. Hopefully USB3 will be good. I'm going to treat USB3 as totally new, and try not to let my firewire love get in the way.
I wish 1394 had gotten more support. USB2 did help a bit. Hopefully USB3 will be good. I'm going to treat USB3 as totally new, and try not to let my firewire love get in the way.
QUOTE(Chugworth @ Dec 30 2007, 14:58)
QUOTE(Illrigger @ Dec 28 2007, 22:07)
As far as I've read, WUSB isn't for indivdual perhipherals like BT is. It's designed only to connect wireless hubs, which you connect wired USB perhiperals to. Printers and such might come with WUSB built in, but they'll also act as USB hubs, with the printer "device" internally hardwired to the hub.
With any luck, WUSB will take off, USB 3.0 will not gain traction, and 1394B will finally take its place for high speed connectivity like it should have 3 years ago. USB should never have gone into general use as a storage device interconnect to begin with.
Actually no, WUSB is intended for all sorts of devices to be able to use it. Wikipedia has some more information on that:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_USB
As for 1394, USB 3.0 may be the final nail in its coffin. It has really been declining over the past few years, and it looks like USB 3.0 is going to bring some pretty nice improvements. Also, it will be backwards compatible with versions 1 and 2. That is very significant. 1394 might have its advantages, but USB has done one thing really well: Make things easy for people.
One new trend that I really like is to see USB used as a power source for small devices. I have two cell phones, three GPS devices, and one Bluetooth headset that can all be charged using USB power. I don't need to sort through a pile of different AC adapters. One plug works for all. I hope we start seeing more USB power outlets in new cars, and maybe even in home electrical outlets.
The Wiki article confirms what I said about WUSB, actually. There are hubs, and hosts, but no direct client connection support. A device can be a host and talk to a hub, or can be a hub and connect to perhipherals. or both but not at the same time, and hosts can communicate with one another. THere won't be standalone WUSB mice for example, unless they make them a hub. While that's possible, it's not what the standard was intended for.
QUOTE(Illrigger @ Jan 2 2008, 13:24)
The Wiki article confirms what I said about WUSB, actually. There are hubs, and hosts, but no direct client connection support. A device can be a host and talk to a hub, or can be a hub and connect to perhipherals. or both but not at the same time, and hosts can communicate with one another. THere won't be standalone WUSB mice for example, unless they make them a hub. While that's possible, it's not what the standard was intended for.
The wireless hubs are just one type of WUSB device. They are intended for compatibility with existing USB2 devices. All sorts of different devices will be able to communicate through WUSB:
http://www.wireless-usb.eu/wusb/?page_id=14
The WUSB discussion is a lot more interesting than my Bluetooth issue. I've actually learned quite just reading your guys' posts. I don't really have much to add to the WUSB discussion other than that I'd really like to play with it and get a good hands on experience. As far as mice go though, I have decided that I'm keeping the VX Nano for my laptop mouse and I'd even recommend it if you're in the market for a nice notebook mouse.
I realize that nobody has written here for months, but since I foudn this rpetty quickly when I had a similar problem, I thought I'd mention my "solution"
I also have a VOSTRO 1500. I recently bought a MOGO prensenter X54 bluetooth mouse. I also noticed lag at times, especially during gaming. It took me a while to track down the probelm, but when I did, I felt kind of stupid. When gaming at home, I was laying down with my laptop in my lap, and my mouse up by my right hip, effectivly 1.5-2 feet away. And I was havign lag, even o the desktop. But when I moved the mouse closer to my legs, so it was less than a foot away, all the lag problems ceased. Not sure why this is exactly, but there you go.
Anyone out there who stumbles on this, hope it helps.
I also have a VOSTRO 1500. I recently bought a MOGO prensenter X54 bluetooth mouse. I also noticed lag at times, especially during gaming. It took me a while to track down the probelm, but when I did, I felt kind of stupid. When gaming at home, I was laying down with my laptop in my lap, and my mouse up by my right hip, effectivly 1.5-2 feet away. And I was havign lag, even o the desktop. But when I moved the mouse closer to my legs, so it was less than a foot away, all the lag problems ceased. Not sure why this is exactly, but there you go.
Anyone out there who stumbles on this, hope it helps.
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