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Brains
"True democracy requires competitive elections in which opposition candidates are allowed to campaign without fear or intimidation."
George W. Bush, Middle-East summit, May 2008


much like both his elections?

or much like Hamas was elected fair and square according to all observers?

6 more months... *sigh*
Chugworth
QUOTE(Brains @ May 18 2008, 15:33) *
much like both his elections?
Uhh... yes... huh.gif

QUOTE(Brains @ May 18 2008, 15:33) *
or much like Hamas was elected fair and square according to all observers?
Yes Brains, they fairly and squarely elected terrorists to be their leaders. smile.gif
Jizzylax
QUOTE(Brains @ May 18 2008, 15:33) *

"True democracy requires competitive elections in which opposition candidates are allowed to campaign without fear or intimidation."
George W. Bush, Middle-East summit, May 2008


much like both his elections?

Where was the fear and intimidation in the previous two U.S. elections? Unless you are saying they weren't competitive, which I'm pretty sure they were.

I'm not saying I won't be glad when Bush is out. I just don't see when the elections were full of fear and intimidation, or noncompetitive.
Brains
QUOTE(Jizzylax @ May 19 2008, 05:57) *

QUOTE(Brains @ May 18 2008, 15:33) *

"True democracy requires competitive elections in which opposition candidates are allowed to campaign without fear or intimidation."
George W. Bush, Middle-East summit, May 2008


much like both his elections?

Where was the fear and intimidation in the previous two U.S. elections? Unless you are saying they weren't competitive, which I'm pretty sure they were.

for his 2000 election: he maybe forgot the word "fair" on purpose?! tongue.gif


for his 2004 election: a large part of his campaign was about him being the only person adequate for office to react to the terrorist threat. He used 9/11 footage in some ads, instilling fear. He warned to NOT vote Kerry, unless the American citizens want 9/11 to happen again, connoting to intimidation.


@chug: (1) WE (the UN and US) say they are terrorists. the Palestinians themselves do not. why can't they vote on them? (2) In elections litteraly anybody can run for office. If people vote on these, you are seated. Add (1) and (2) together and there is no reason whatsoever to not respect the democratical process which happened in Palestine.

I mean, I think quite a few people (outside of the US) would be labelling Bush "a terrorist". Does it mean that Americans can't vote for him?! huh.gif
Chugworth
QUOTE(Brains @ May 19 2008, 07:03) *

QUOTE(Jizzylax @ May 19 2008, 05:57) *

QUOTE(Brains @ May 18 2008, 15:33) *

"True democracy requires competitive elections in which opposition candidates are allowed to campaign without fear or intimidation."
George W. Bush, Middle-East summit, May 2008


much like both his elections?

Where was the fear and intimidation in the previous two U.S. elections? Unless you are saying they weren't competitive, which I'm pretty sure they were.

for his 2000 election: he maybe forgot the word "fair" on purpose?! tongue.gif


for his 2004 election: a large part of his campaign was about him being the only person adequate for office to react to the terrorist threat. He used 9/11 footage in some ads, instilling fear. He warned to NOT vote Kerry, unless the American citizens want 9/11 to happen again, connoting to intimidation.


@chug: (1) WE (the UN and US) say they are terrorists. the Palestinians themselves do not. why can't they vote on them? (2) In elections litteraly anybody can run for office. If people vote on these, you are seated. Add (1) and (2) together and there is no reason whatsoever to not respect the democratical process which happened in Palestine.

I mean, I think quite a few people (outside of the US) would be labelling Bush "a terrorist". Does it mean that Americans can't vote for him?! huh.gif

You know what, I've explained all this before. You know why Bush was fairly elected in 2000. You know why the 2004 U.S. elections were not equal to elections held in Saddam-controlled Iraq or Cuba. And you know that the Palestinians were not denied their right to vote for Hamas. If you don't know any of that, then apparently you are blind to facts and I would be wasting my time to explain it all again.
Dr.Zoidberg
QUOTE(Jizzylax @ May 19 2008, 03:57) *

Where was the fear and intimidation in the previous two U.S. elections? Unless you are saying they weren't competitive, which I'm pretty sure they were.

I'm not saying I won't be glad when Bush is out. I just don't see when the elections were full of fear and intimidation, or noncompetitive.

The fear motto for the second Bush election was something like this.

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The election of George W. Bush as president of the United States in November 2004 was a masterful display of media domination. The Republican Party did an outstanding job of working their ideas and messages into all available media channels -- especially television. As the most simplistic of all media, TV can only handle the most uncomplicated of ideas. TV thrives on breasts and beer so comments are short and concepts are brief. Because most people in America get their news from TV the Republican Party hammered down their message to one that was clear and cable-ready: "Terrorists could attack the United States at any moment. George W. Bush will keep you safe. George W. Bush is a good Christian." This was the message and it worked.

The George Bush-Dick Cheney ticket got 60 million votes (51 % of the American electorate). The Bush ticket had a majority in 30 states. The remarkably simple message from the Republican Party was repeated endlessly through traditional media such as television and radio and new media such as Internet news sites and blogs. Known as the "media echo chamber," the Republican message of simplicity was easily digestible for American couch potatoes.

Certain messages from Bush during the campaign even took on an Orwellian tone.

War Is Peace::: "Because we fight in Iraq and Afghanistan, America is safer."
Ignorance Is Strength::: "John Kerry and the Liberals in Congress' plan for medical coverage is too complicated."
Freedom Is Slavery::: "We need a constitutional amendment to protect the sanctity of marriage."
Two Minutes Hate::: "John Kerry is a flip-flopper. Flip flop flip flop flip flop."


Taken from here.

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