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Dr.Zoidberg
A large U.S bank has gone bust. Monday is going to be red for the stock market.

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Key US mortgage lender goes bust

One of the largest US mortgage lenders, the California-based IndyMac Bank, has collapsed amid a growing credit crisis.

Federal regulators seized the bank's assets, fearing it might not be able to meet withdrawals by depositors.

It is the second-largest financial institution to fail in US history, regulators say.

The failure came on a day when shares in the two biggest US home loan institutions - Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae - fell at one stage by almost 50%.

IndyMac had been struggling to raise funds and stay in business in one of the states worst hit by the US housing market slump.

The bank's primary regulator, the Office of Thrift Supervision (OTS), said depositors had withdrawn more than $1.3bn in the past 11 days.

"This institution failed today due to a liquidity crisis," OTS Director John Reich said.

The OTS believed IndyMac was unlikely to meet its depositors' demands and transferred its operations to the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC), which will seek a buyer.

IndyMac customer Steve Knieerein told ABC television: "I'm very angry, very upset about this. I wanted to withdraw my money."

People with deposits of up to $100,000 each are covered by insurers.

But about 10,000 people had uninsured funds over that limit with IndyMac - worth a total $1bn at the time of closing.

The FDIC said it would pay those people an advance dividend equal to half of their uninsured deposit.

It is the fifth US financial institution this year to succumb amid a credit crunch, falling house prices and rising foreclosures.

The move came after rollercoaster trading on Friday for Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae - which are behind half of all US mortgages.

They play an important role in the financial markets in providing funding for home loans by buying up mortgages and packaging them as investments.

'Important mission'

As mortgage backers, the companies have had to pay out when homeowners have defaulted on their loans.

Both firms defended their finances, saying they had enough capital to weather the housing slump.

Shares in the two firms recovered after US Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson signalled he was not on the verge of taking Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac into public hands.


"Our primary focus is supporting Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac in their current form as they carry out their important mission," he said.

President George W Bush was briefed on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac earlier on Friday.

Mr Bush said Mr Paulson assured him he and Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke "will be working this issue very hard".

After a volatile trading session, Freddie Mac shares closed down 3.1% at $7.75.

Shares of Fannie Mae ended the day down 22.4% at $10.25 after sliding as much as 49% to a 19-year low of $6.68.

US Senator Christopher Dodd said the Federal Reserve was considering allowing Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to borrow directly from the central bank, which also helped the shares to recover.

Some media reported the Treasury was planning some kind of government-led rescue but Mr Paulson said only that they were "maintaining a dialogue with regulators and with the companies".

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Singh400
Well with ridiculous names like Fannie May and Freddie Mac they are bound to fail, I thought the BBC was having a laugh when they did the news report on those two banks, but apparently they are real!

But yeah, real bad news... sad.gif
Dr.Zoidberg
Bad? This is on a disaster level on the money market. I fear the Monday, I really do. Unless somebody pulls a rabbit out of it's hat that can fix it, we are going to have really bad Monday around the world.
Brains
seems like lots of banks are going bust...

not entirely sure about the $700 billion Bush wants to inject either...
Singh400
The shit is hitting the fan now...

B&B (Braford & Bingley) over here, is having to be rescued aswell - it's going to be nationalised. Northen Rock was also nationalised, not sure how much more we can bare.
Chugworth
QUOTE(Brains @ Sep 27 2008, 10:12) *

seems like lots of banks are going bust...

not entirely sure about the $700 billion Bush wants to inject either...

Yeah, I think it's a bad idea myself. If the government would just get its hands out of this, then the market would heal itself. It's these "government sponsored enterprises" that got us in to this mess in the first place, and this plan just injects more government into the mix.
aliceinwonderland
I think Lloyds TSB just took over Bank of Scotland (Halifax) as well.... what is happening?? AAAAAH! :-( 1bn is a heck of a lot of unsecured funds.. gees!! :-/
Singh400
^ Yeah LTSB did take over HBOS, a while ago. Ironically, the ones that are being taken over and/or being nationalised are the ones that your money is 100% safe.

There's no way that the government would have let HBOS fail, it holds over 20% of the UK mortgage market. If LTSB didn't rescue it, the government would have. No doubt.
aliceinwonderland
Well that´s good to know, as all my money is in 4 accounts with them!!! Not that I have much in each account... but still :-) I have about 2 pounds to my name... I still want it to be kept safe! Yeah to be honest, I´m quite glad I´m with the Halifax... seem to be pretty safe (until I heard that) but at least it´s good enough to be rescued! :-)
Chugworth
Well I found an excellent article here explaining why the bailout is a bad idea. It's written by an economist from Harvard:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/29/mir...lout/index.html

Fortunately the bill failed yesterday, but I fear it will pass soon. sad.gif

You know what this all is? The very ones behind this financial crisis are desperately trying to get the American taxpayers to bail them out. Why are so many politicians voting for this bill considering the massive opposition against it? They're puppets....
Chugworth
LOL laugh.gif

Check this out, Bill O'Reilly had an interview with BaWWWney FWWWank about this:



Gotta love Fox News! laugh.gif
Hasin
LOL bill tongue.gif
Dr.Zoidberg
Icelandic bank goes bust and the icelandic money system almost collapes. I fear that it might actually do so on Monday, but I hope that won't happen. fear.gif
Brains
QUOTE(Chugworth @ Oct 3 2008, 23:05) *

LOL laugh.gif

Check this out, Bill O'Reilly had an interview with BaWWWney FWWWank about this:

Gotta love Fox News! laugh.gif

wow. hello Fox. it's a good laugh if you watch it from a distance.

it is plain rude if you think about the situation we are in. i think a reporter loosing his temper equals a professional mistake.

Bill attacks Fwank that he is pointing fingers, while the attack itself indicates that Fwank is targetted by Bill. Seems like the pot blaming the kettle...
Chugworth
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The National Debt Clock, a billboard-style sign, is seen near Times Square in New York October 9, 2008. The sign, which was installed by the late Semour Durst, a Manhattan real estate developer, has run out of digits to show the growing number and has had the dollar sign replaced by the figure "1" to count above $10 trillion. The Durst organization says it plans to update the sign next year by adding two digits.

http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/National-Deb...r3035121263.jpg

We need to buy a new sign. Can anyone lend us some cash? tongue.gif
Dr.Zoidberg
Iceland goes bankrupt. The Icelandic goverment hasn't admitted it yet publicy. This is a sad event for my country. sad.gif

Iceland says will meet obligations despite meltdown

'Nordic Tiger' Iceland Finds Itself in Meltdown
Chugworth
QUOTE(Dr.Zoidberg @ Oct 10 2008, 21:26) *

Iceland goes bankrupt. The Icelandic goverment hasn't admitted it yet publicy. This is a sad event for my country. sad.gif

Iceland says will meet obligations despite meltdown

'Nordic Tiger' Iceland Finds Itself in Meltdown

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Iceland might be called the first national casualty of the global financial tumult. Its currency, the krona, is in free fall. Foreign exchange markets are effectively closed -- for Icelanders who need to travel abroad, dollars or euros are nowhere to be found. The stock market has shut down until next week. The government has been placed in the role of international beggar, asking Nordic neighbors, the Russians and perhaps the International Monetary Fund for emergency loans.

I remember a few years ago there was another guy from Iceland here who was always making fun of the U.S., it's economy, and the dollar. Oh, what was his name? If only he were here right now. I bet he didn't see that one coming. ermm.gif
cork1958
What the heck?

Is Bush running/ruining that country too? lick.gif
Dr.Zoidberg
The people how run this country are fans of Bush, many of them at least. They have completely destroyed the Icelandic economic status by deregulating the market or not put any regulations in place to keep it in check.
Chugworth
QUOTE(Dr.Zoidberg @ Oct 11 2008, 12:18) *

The people how run this country are fans of Bush, many of them at least. They have completely destroyed the Icelandic economic status by deregulating the market or not put any regulations in place to keep it in check.

Apparently the leaders in many countries around the world are fans of Bush. rolleyes.gif
Dr.Zoidberg
There is a difference. European countries are not in as bad shape as Iceland at this time. European leaders are actually trying to save there economy, here in Iceland the head of the central bank did just speak the country into a bankruptcy in a media interview just the day before Kaupþing was overtaken by the Icelandic goverment. After the UK government did act on it because of the statement of the head of the central bank in Iceland. That was the most expensive interview in Icelandic history, forever I think. It a type of stuff that they are going write about in history books.
Chugworth
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McCain Letter Demanded 2006 Action on Fannie and Freddie
by Human Events
10/10/2008


Sen. John McCain's 2006 demand for regulatory action on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac could have prevented current financial crisis, as HUMAN EVENTS learned from the letter shown in full text below.

McCain's letter -- signed by nineteen other senators -- said that it was "...vitally important that Congress take the necessary steps to ensure that [Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac]...operate in a safe and sound manner.[and]..More importantly, Congress must ensure that the American taxpayer is protected in the event that either...should fail."

Sen. Obama did not sign the letter, nor did any other Democrat.

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http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=28973
DangerousDave86
A local council here in England just lost £3m in Icelandic investments. Lucky I just moved town...
Singh400
Indeed, I have been reading all day about how number of councils have invested money in Icelandic banks (for some odd reason, high % I expect). And they are now left practically pennniless.

Hold on tight folks, this is gonna hurt - for a good few years yet.
DangerousDave86
QUOTE(Singh400 @ Oct 13 2008, 18:12) *

Indeed, I have been reading all day about how number of councils have invested money in Icelandic banks (for some odd reason, high % I expect). And they are now left practically pennniless.

Hold on tight folks, this is gonna hurt - for a good few years yet.

The UK Govt. had them listed as a highly recommended investment. That's why.

I don't fully understand world finances/economics, but it just seems like theft to me. A lot of people made a nice living out of the growing economy, and now the governments are paying for it all with the regular joes money. Out of one pocket into another. Indirect theft from the masses.
Pi Is A Rational
QUOTE(Chugworth @ Oct 9 2008, 17:52) *

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The National Debt Clock, a billboard-style sign, is seen near Times Square in New York October 9, 2008. The sign, which was installed by the late Semour Durst, a Manhattan real estate developer, has run out of digits to show the growing number and has had the dollar sign replaced by the figure "1" to count above $10 trillion. The Durst organization says it plans to update the sign next year by adding two digits.

http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/National-Deb...r3035121263.jpg

We need to buy a new sign. Can anyone lend us some cash? tongue.gif


I lol'd.
Brains
wow. a letter again. how very convenient... rolleyes.gif
Dr.Zoidberg
QUOTE(DangerousDave86 @ Oct 12 2008, 19:48) *

A local council here in England just lost £3m in Icelandic investments. Lucky I just moved town...

A lot of people in Iceland lost money also. So it is just not in the UK where people and companies lost moneys on the Icelandic banks going bust.
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