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Earlier this week Microsoft posted details about their "new" operating system, codename "Mojave".

In reality, it's an experiment in which Microsoft disguised Windows Vista as codename "Mojave", so regular people who've never used Vista could see what it could and decide for themselves.

After they had seen this they were asked to give a rating out of 10. One lady, who had previously given Vista a 0 from just what she had heard, went on to give "Mojave" 10 out of 10. Clearly proving that what people hear about Vista isn't true.

Many of the group who were talked to decided that they would now go out and upgrade to Vista, so that shows Vista isn’t as bad as everyone says. Just everyone has the wrong perception.

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Dr.Zoidberg
I just love to spot word of mouth propaganda from a big corp. biggrin.gif
(They also rig this type of stuff)

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Microsoft launches Windows "Mojave" website

The only way I'll understand that you haven't yet heard of Mojave is if you have been relaxing on some remote beach without WiFi for the last couple of days. The "Mojave Experiment" was a marketing idea that Microsoft put into action about two weeks ago, and recently received a huge amount of coverage. Over the course of three days, Microsoft showed 120 Mac, Linux, Windows XP, and Windows 2000 users in San Francisco an HP Pavilion DV 2000 with 2GB of RAM that had on it a "new" version of Windows, codenamed "Mojave."

When asked about their experience with Mojave, over 90 percent said they were impressed with what they saw. That's when Microsoft told them they had actually been using Windows Vista all along. The software giant found a very simple way to show users who had heard bad things about Vista that, given the chance, Vista would not only be found to be acceptable, but the majority would see it as a great operating system.

Now, Mojave has received its own web site where Microsoft has posted 55 short clips of users' reactions to seeing Windows Vista. This is not part of Microsoft's new marketing campaign that plans to tell the "real Vista story," but Microsoft does consider it a good enough success to post on the web site that "The Experiment will continue. Stay tuned." Unsurprisingly, Microsoft used Flash instead of Silverlight for the new web site; the company wants the message to get out there to as many as possible.

Microsoft has time and again admitted that Vista has its problems, but has also emphasized that the majority of problems have been fixed. Now the company simply wants people to catch up with their opinions of Vista. What do you think, is the "Mojave Experiment" website a good start?

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Chugworth
Well whether or not those people are for real, I totally agree with the message that Microsoft is trying to send. I'm not sure if it's a good idea for an advertising campaign. But it's right.

But as I was watching some of that, it became clear to me that so many people don't get to experience Windows the way it's intended to be. When the majority of people buy a new computer, they buy a real cheap one that the manufacturer loads with crapware, and all of that crapware bogs down the system to a crawl. You get a bunch of pop-up messages asking you to do this, or do that, and you get 30-day trials that expire and try to get you to renew them. A new, cheap computer is just a generally unpleasant experience. And it should not be.

Of course the other option that Microsoft list for getting Vista, upgrading, is NOT something that I would recommend to a novice.
Dr.Zoidberg
I got more. rolleyes.gif


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Microsoft Mojave 'outs' secret Vista lovers

Analysis If you listen very carefully, you'll hear a new beat coming from the drums in Microsoft's marketing department these days.

After two years in embarrassed silence, people have come out pumped up and taking no prisoners.

The message has come from the top and is beginning to percolate. "Windows Vista is great, just misunderstood," Redmond says. "Apple has twisted the facts and mislead gullible users, and analysts that criticize Windows Vista are either crazy or unreliable. Who can you trust? Microsoft."

The latest manifestation in this unfolding campaign is the Mojave Experiment, where Microsoft tricked ordinary people into liking Windows Vista, caught their reactions on "secret" camera and then posted them online. This follows the hardballing of analysts it disagrees with. We've been promised there's more to come. Can't wait.

Why, now that we're into Vista's second year and after the first Service Pack has launched, is Microsoft getting gung ho, especially if - as it claims - license sales are set to bust those of Windows XP?

The reason is that while the campaign is new, the issues for Microsoft are timeless, and it hasn't done itself any favors.

Windows Vista prior to SP 1 failed to meet the needs of ordinary users. And no amount of blaming Apple, analysts or stooopid users was going to change that.

A major block was the lack of third-party hardware or software support. What good is a PC operating system if there's no applications or peripherals to work with it?

Tellingly, Mojave seeks to address this. The web site notes there now exists 5,500 compatible devices and 3,500 software programs for Vista. But that's half as many devices as the company bragged about a year ago. Six months after Microsoft's January 2007 "consumer launch," it said 10,000 devices and 1,900 applications. No, we're not sure about the 10,000 number either, but it's possible Microsoft changed the metrics along the way.

Microsoft chief operating officer Kevin Turner at the time of giving out the second set of numbers to partners last summer said: "We've made a big turn around on the application compatibility story, and we're just getting started."

The other big hurdle has been in getting Windows Vista to run properly on the average PC. Microsoft as good as admitted there was a problem with its Vista-ready and Vista-capable programs, and it has been in firefighting mode ever since, offering advice on how to speed up your PC to run Windows Vista.

The Mojave Experiment makes a point of saying it's using Windows Vista Ultimate on a regular, 2GB RAM, Intel Core 2 Due Hewlett-Packard PC. Nothing fancy there.

Bit fiddler

Except that as one former Microsoft Valued Professional pointed out in response to a blog from Windows client team communications director Chris Flores on Mojave, reality is different from a test machine. As we all know, most PCs soon begin to slow down in the real world.

"I am very capable of taking midline hardware and making XP screamingly fast on it, out of box. Once I start loading software and Active X objects and web components and spyware and spyware fighters well then everything gets sloowwww," the ex-MVP said. "Wanna see fast? Install [Windows] 98 on modern hardware, doesn't mean it's a secure or well-built OS."

It remains to be seen whether the Mojave Experiment will tackle these challenges. From what we can see in these very edited videos, there's a lot of focus on wowing users with eye candy. It's pitching against Windows XP and Apple on "look and feel", "new features" and "completeness", by picking on things like Gadgets and the Media Center.

Problem is, few doubted Windows Vista had eye candy. It certainly looked better than Windows XP and it's fair to say it's in the OS X ballpark, thanks to juicy, reflective graphics, media capabilities, and widgetized functionality outside the browser.

The real job of work for Mojave, and the reason Microsoft is trying to alter public perceptions at this stage, lies in the need to quickly move users off old versions of Windows and prevent losses to Apple.

According to the Mojave Experiment site - and beware, the numbers don't exactly add up - users of Windows XP plus a surprisingly large number of users on pre-Windows XP systems - were the majority of participants. There was also a contingent of Apple users.

While legacy versions of Windows and competition from Apple are not new challenges, there's an extra few problems this time around. Upgrades are being made harder now that you have OEMs like Dell still selling Windows XP and making Windows Vista available as an upgrade option. Also, Apple was a long way behind on the desktop, but its now enjoying a surge in sales.

And here we get to the real crux of the Mojave Experiment: the need to address failing Microsoft targets for upgrades and conversions to Windows Vista.

The original target for Windows Vista was so simple it was a no brainer: in an ever expanding-PC market, outsell Windows XP. According to a Microsoft-sponsored IDC report in 2006, Microsoft wanted to have 100 million machines running Windows Vista a year after the January 2007 launch. Then 200 million by January 2009.

Microsoft claimed to have sold 100 million Windows Vista licenses by January 2008 and - as of the end of its fiscal year - 180 million.

On paper, therefore, 200 million by the January 2009 should be a breeze. It took two and a half years for Windows XP to break the 200 million mark - 210 million by March 2004.

Licenses versus users

Not quite. That 180 million total is licenses sold and does not equate to end users, especially not when companies are downgrading to Windows XP and Dell is offering Windows XP with the option to later upgrade to Windows Vista. In these cases, Vista licenses are getting purchased. They are being bought by OEMs. Joe Wilcox provides more of a break down here.

Microsoft is behind the curve on Windows Vista upgrades thanks to the product's short comings, OEMs disrupting the upgrade cycle, and Apple proving more than an irritating distraction to end users.

The Windows Vista SP 1 represents a second bite at the cherry for Microsoft. And the Mojave Experiment, complete with a muscular upbraiding of those who disagree with it on Windows Vista, is marketing's attempt to capitalize on that.®

The Register
Phonics Monkey
It's about time MS did something in response to Apple's BS Ad Campaign ... Christ if I see that stupid twat-boy babbling about Mac-Joy one more time I'm gone fucking snap.
Dr.Zoidberg
Apple is a terrible lock in like Microsoft, no difference there. However, MacOs X is based on Unix, while Windows is not. The difference is that Unix systems are quite stable and fast, unlike what I have seen from Microsoft.
Phonics Monkey
OSX is nothing more that a Graphical Desktop for Unix, the problem is that the clowns over there at Toy World keep digging their ignorance deeper and deeper into the (Grantedly rock stable) Unix core and turning it into a securityless free-for-all.

Sooner or later their fan-boy rantings about "Mac's are "Secure"" are going to tick-off the wrong person (not excluding myself...) and somebody is going to pop off a real nasty Mac only bugg that'll rock their world right back to reality.

They really need to stick to making Fashion Accessories for stupid mindless yuppie cunts, and leave to OS writting to the big boys ... that actually have a friggin clue how the hell a machine should act on a modern network.

MS is right Vista is a good OS, it's not their fault the likes of HP/Compaq garbage boxes make the OS appear flakey. I hand picked the hardware for my x64 machine, and it's never blinked once. Considering I reboot about once every 6 months, that's a damn good track record.
Dr.Zoidberg
I usually don't reboot my server, unless I am upgrading the kernel. But I do loose the power from time to time. angry.gif

My longest uptime on my server pc so far, then the power did go out. sad.gif

81 days, 16:42:23 | Linux 2.6.19 Thu Dec 14 19:16:14 2006 < Boot up.
Phonics Monkey
You gota get a battery backup man, ...seriously.

I setup a Win2k server for a client that ran for just under 2 years straight w/o a reboot ... It finally got dropped by a hurricane that killed the power for a week BBU only lasts an hour.
Dr.Zoidberg
I will get one when I move to Denmark, hopefully next year. biggrin.gif
Chugworth
QUOTE(Dr.Zoidberg @ Jul 31 2008, 09:31) *

Apple is a terrible lock in like Microsoft, no difference there. However, MacOs X is based on Unix, while Windows is not. The difference is that Unix systems are quite stable and fast, unlike what I have seen from Microsoft.

Err... no. The NT kernel is rock-solid and very well-designed. If it ever crashes, then most likely it is due to a hardware failure or a poorly written driver. Vista improves on that stability by making the kernel more resistant to driver crashes. If the video driver crashes, for example, then Vista will attempt to restart the driver without bringing down the whole system.
tysercom
I agree with Chug, the BSODs\system failures I get from previous versions of Windows were all down to hardware\driver problems. I've been playing around with Vista for a while and I haven't got a system crash that was caused by faulty hardware yet, though Vista appears to be sluggish at times, but that's probably my hardware. All in all, Vista seems more tolerant of the DIY'd hardware that I plug into my test box.
virtualraider
QUOTE(Phonics Monkey @ Jul 30 2008, 14:02) *

I'm gone fucking snap.


Ive already gone fucking snap crackle and.... pop. laugh.gif
GraVmaN
Come on, you have to admit... The hardware requirements vs the performance on a Vista system is ridiculous compared to the same system running XP. XP will even run better with lesser hardware.

The first thing I do to ANY system is dump Vista. New or old.

Vista is just the newest MS Bloatware. The best hope MS had to force people to use it was to make Dx10 a Vista only feature. I don't know about anyone else but, Crysis looked great on my Dx9c XP system with everything cranked up.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a MAC fan. MS just crams a lot of things down your throat whether you need it or not but, because they say you do.

When was the last time anyone needed "Journal for XP Tablet PC Edition" compatibility? I remember there was a critical update for that for XP so if you had Auto Updates enabled, you got it.

But, I digress. I'm not impressed by a few passersby taking a peek at Vista with another name and having a different opinion. Try doing that with some techies and see what happens. Better still, allow them to do comparative benchmarking.
Chugworth
Under that logic, you'd do better to stick with Windows 2000 or Windows 98. The fact that Vista has higher system requirements is only expected for a newer operating system.
GraVmaN
Not really. How drastic an increase was there for Linux from one version to the next? It certainly doesn't go by the leaps and bounds that MS always takes. Its not even in the name of efficiency. As technology advances its as though the goal at MS is to see how fast they can gobble it up. Even the best running versions of XP are stripped hybrid builds which are impossible to duplicate with a factory installation CD. Again, MS telling you what you need.

In short, if industry didn't pour near complete support into MS OSes I'd be already using something else. Even Apple has gone to a Linux/Unix based OS and they are getting bigger than ever (also because they're building on a PC platform now too). If support keeps going in favor of Apple, it will mean that re-compiling programs for Linux will be a lesser task than porting from Windows. In just a few more years, Apple could be a much bigger problem for PCs in general and MS specifically.
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